grateful "Muslims are able to respond with reason and a challenge to the accusers to present their proof."

Some do (http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/humberside/hi/people_and_places/religion_and_ethics/newsid_8989000/8989639.stm) just as many in other faiths (or non-faiths) react with reason to challenge or insult but there is a part of the story which you seem to be in denial about

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_re_as/quran_burning_reaction
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/feb/04/muhammadcartoons.pressandpublishing

Where are the large street protests by muslims to voice their anger when your faith and the teachings of your faith are brought into disrepute by other muslims? Where were the massive demonstrations against the blowing up of the buddist statues? Where were the protests when women who have been raped are stoned to death by muslims? Where were the massive protests when tourists are fired on by muslims waging a campaign of terror?

If you are so special why don't we see standards which are significantly better than those in who are not part of your faith but who hold to some values system that goes beyond "me first"?

It's a delusion common to adherents of many faiths that those who belong to their faith are somehow better than others. The evidence is only their if you ignore what does not suit.

R0bert

Is what Pericles says correct? Marwa el-Sherbini was not your sister.

You realy are a piece of .... grateful.

aaaarrrh

Grateful,
Most people would look at Marwa’s case and say “What a horrible thing!”, a young woman had her life cut short.
Your, sympathy seems to stem from the fact that she’s a sister-in-faith.I look forward to you expressing similar, heartfelt sympathy for the tens of thousands of non-Muslim Indonesian , Malaysian , Sri Lankan , Thai, Nigerian , southern Sudanese women who’ve been raped and murdered by Muslims – crimes for which their assailants are yet to be arrested, let alone tried!

You and most of your brethren seem to share the mindset that you can spruik the misdeeds of others, but when others talk about your much, much less publicised/known misdeeds, it’s “promoting hatred”.

And a look at some of the comments to the Youtube link, shows how successful you’ve been at suppressing Islams darker side. A number of the comments carry the implication that Islam has a better record of dealing with non-whites.When the reality is, Islam oversaw the greatest slave trade in history.

You ask for “EVIDENCE” of “criminal acts” ?
How can one establish criminality on the part of your team when you –the sole arbiter-- believe your team has divine authority/purpose that trumps everything else! The best I can do for you Grateful is show that your teams track record violates standards you tell us you hold dear.

Exhibit1: Sahi Buchari Hadiths #143, page-700: Sulaiman Ibne Harb…Aannas Ibne Malek (ra) narrated, “in the war of Khayber after the inhabitants of Banu Nadir were surrendered, Allah’s apostle killed all the able/adult men, and he (prophet) took all women and children as captives (Ghani mateer maal).. Among the captives Safiyya Bint Huyy Akhtab was taken by Allah’s Apostle as booty whom He married after freeing her and her freedom was her Mahr.”
And please bear in mind that Mohammed is “’a beautiful exemplar’ …the model of righteousness, the perfect individual” not someone ruled by the beastly whims and ways of the time!
---- How was this not a genocidal, criminal act?”
[ How many Marwa’s do you suppose this action created ?]

Exhibit2: “Private recantation from Islam aggravated by disobedience to Islamic law or physical violence against Muslim lives and property always warrants the ‘extreme’ (hudood) punishments. Thus, for example, immediately after the death of the Prophet, the first Caliph took military action against certain tribes which had relapsed into their previous paganism. But the rebel tribes were not only committing apostasy; they were refusing to pay alms-tax due to the infant Islamic state…and the death penalty was accordingly evoked against the rebel tribes”
[Be Careful With Muhammad—Dr Shabbir Akhtar ( a member of the Bradford Council of Mosques )]
---Another genocidal, criminal act? The Americans have been demonised by many of your brethren for doing less in Iraq and Afghanistan!
[ How many Marwa’s do you suppose this action create?]

Exhibit3: Mac has already made you aware that the crusades were a response to earlier Islam jihadi actions in Europe –though you remain in denial about it.There were also similar jihadi actions as late as the 1890s in Asia.
“The Afghan ruler Abdur Rehman Khan, whom the British had christened the ‘Iron Amir’ …saw this as an opportunity to enlarge his domain…The campaign to pacify Kafiristan was short-lived but violent. Hundreds were killed while thousand crossed into the neighbouring Chitral region of modern Pakistan…When the jihad was over , sixty thousand infidels had embraced Islam and pledged their allegiance to the amir. With the valley subdued the amir dispatched an army of mullahs to instruct the converts in the ways of Islam. None other than my maternal great-grandfather, Jalilur Rahman Khan, led a troop of mullahs into the valley, with specially trained barbers circumcising men both young and old in accordance with Islamic tradition. My paternal great-grandfather, also involved in the campaign , took into marriage a young girl from the area. She was one of the many women who were taken as spoils of war from the region, which the warriors renamed Nooristan, or the land of light”
Confessions of a Mullah Warrior –Masood Farivar
(a primary source— you don’t need halal certified historians to interpret that for you!—though The Crisis of Islam –Bernard Lewis
(p 28) echo’s this testimony, and adds “During the same period jihads ..were conducted in Africa against non-m populations”

---- It makes your NO COMPULSION in religion principle look a bit suspect, eh?
----As it does the oft stated apologia that Jihadism & the Taliban are anomalies.
[ How many Marwa’s do you suppose this action created ?]

But I don’t expect any of this to make an iota of difference , and I don’t blame you, if I believed there were 14 Houris waiting for
me in the hereafter, I’d be Grateful too!

GRATEFUL!

I have never before been angry with anyone on OLO. This is a debate forum and my attitude has always been if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

That was until today. It has taken me this long to calm down and compose a decent post.

Let me tell you something grateful. We lost a daughter in a road accident so I know what it is like suddenly to lose someone you love. I really felt for you. When you accused me of inciting violence I thought it was your grief speaking. I remember how angry at the world I was at the time.

What you did was unspeakable grateful. It was ROTTEN.

Aaarrrhhh !