In fact mac here is the koran in comic book form

Mohammed's "Believe it or else".

http://islamcomicbook.com/comics/english/pdfs/MBOE-HIRES.pdf

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Dear Mac,

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It seems there is no consenus among historians on the motivations of Urban II, the reigning pope, for launching the First Crusade in 1096.

According to Thomas Asbridge, the University of London medieval history scholar: "on his (recruitment) tour of France, Urban tried to forbid certain people (including women, monks, and the sick) from joining the crusade, but found this nearly impossible. Peasants volonteered in tens of thousands with an outpouring of emotional and personal piety that was not easily harnessed by the ecclesiastical and lay aristocracy".

The French princes and knights are described as having been motivated by the sense of adventure and, as the peasants were extremely poor, some historians have suggested that many of them jumped on the occasion to improve their miserable material conditions of daily life.

Whether the First Crusade was aggressive or defensive is debateable. It is, however, generally considered a "holy war".

The reason I posted on this forum (page 9 of this thread) the historical account of the barbarism of the first Christian crusaders was simply as a reminder that barbarism is not the exclusivity of present day Islamists.

Those of Christian faith will recall the biblical recommendation:

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye but
considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye" ?
—Matthew 7:3 (King James Version)

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grateful, Justin Raimondo does make some excellent points.He often posts on http://mycatbirdseat.com/

His quote of Martin Luther King rings home so true."In the end we will not remember the words of our enemies,but the silence of our friends."

There are so many professionals and people in Govt who know the truth but are too gutless to speak up.911 is the most important event of the last 150 yrs.If they get away with this,then facism will bring on a new dark age for our Western humanity.

Bin Laden is said to have died at Tora Bora in late 2001.There are two Bin Ladens on youtube published by the authorities.One has a thin nose and one a flattened nose.Perhaps he uses Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon.

Arjay, it may already be too late, but you ought to get a life, you know.

>>There is now absolute scientfic proof that explosives brought down all 3 large buildings on that day<<

Not at all. There are merely a number of untested, inconsistent and downright fanciful theories.

If there were proof, it would be front page news - in Riyadh, at the very least.

The fact that there are a few hundred random thrill-seekers signing up for the conspiracy theory is actually quite unimpressive, given the claim for "absolute scientific proof". It says a whole lot more about the personal insecurities of those people than it does about the theories themselves.

>>The movement worldwide is enormous but small in the land of oz.<<

Define "enormous", Arjay.

It's just a bunch of unhappy people who lack direction in their own lives, so they have to look for it elsewhere. Reality is not a prerequisite.

>>I will debate anyone any time on the scientific facts<<

Sadly, you don't. All you do is point to theories gathered from a conspiracy web site that you have chosen from the very large number that exist on the topic. Could you tell us why you picked this one, rather than one of the others?

>>The truth movement has absolute proof that it was impossible for people like Mohommad Atta to achieve such a sophistocated exercise without the help of insiders.<<

Not so. The proof is in the fact that he did just that.

No viable alternative scenario - how it was achieved, who was behind it and - most importantly - how many people were involved, has ever been presented. Not one single person has even come under suspicion of being part of your alternative scheme.

That has to tell you something, surely?

If you download the koran, then delete it .. is that a violation of the muslim ruleset? (buring the korran, or ripping a page out are said to be acts of unforgivable violence on the religion)

Does it only work if you pay for it? As opposed to free copy of the koran, in the electronic "wild" so to speak.

If you bought an ecopy, then by deleting it, destroy that copy forever, what then?

Will we have to track all ecopies of the koran?

What about quotes from the koran, they are supposedly the written words, if the server they are on is destroyed, or wiped clean, is that the same as burning a koran?

I suppose it must be ok to reproduce bits and quotes, otherwise many authors would not be able to write their pieces, or am I wrong about that. Above in the posts, we have someone demanding quotes from the koran be posted - what's the religious view on that, how would an imam from Iran for instance see it?

grateful,

I have read numerous extracts from the Quran,after 9/11 there's been no shortage of commentators,however, as I said before, there's no evidence that Mohammed's god even exists. I'm certainly not going to become involved in more arguments with believers over their sacred books,as I've discovered in the past, rational discussion is impossible. One fact is clear, the followers of Mohammed's teachings have produced one of the most oppressive and conservative cultures on earth and that indisputable fact is what is significant to me.

stevenlmeyer,

Yes,the Quran must have seemed a laugh,initially.

I've sometimes suspected that the authors of the Quran were 'on' something or perhaps, 'off' their medication.

Banjo Paterson,

I'm not disputing your facts,obviously most of the Crusaders were just psychopathic gangsters or deluded peasants,my point was that the Crusades should be seen in the context of the centuries long conflict started by Moslems.