To By Muqtedar Khan,

you say:

"I am amazed at how millions of Americans who are decent and honourable can watch this happen. No matter how ugly the act the Constitution permits this, is not an acceptable excuse. The Constitution does not permit this. The Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment. For Muslims this is worse than torture."

To equate the mere burning burning of a book with "cruel punishment" is representative of the type of arrogance that is common in Islamic culture. Muslims burn churches, bibles, flags, and non-muslims people every day. It is common place. Wherever muslims have control they are without fail unfair in the extreme to non-muslims. In Bethlehem, the birthplace of Jesus, all the shop fronts were painted the Islamic green when Hamas took over, and the population of Christians there and elsewhere in Palestine has dropped drastically since Hamas took power.

I can give unending examples of the unfairness. Muslims seem to expect special treatment.

Also, the pastor burning a Quaran IS a fundamental western value. It is "protest". The debate must turn to Islam itself. Westerners need to stop assuming that, just because our own historical religion (Christianity) has an ethic that is compatibel with human decency and equality, we should not assume that ALL religions are like this. It is a sad truth that the moral framwwork of Islam is quite simply tribal, and due to that inherently racist, mysogynistic, anti-equal in all respects, and extremely violent.

The fact that one man can burn a book and then every American may be killed on site, is testament to the mentality of Muslims in general. In general, every individual within islamic culture has the arrogance of an ancient Persian or Roman emporer, and this is partly demonstrated by their marriage practices (which are akin to western royalty, of trying to marry as close to the family and tribal "bloodline" as possible). E.g. in Australia the Lebanese muslims have a high proportion who go back to their parents' home towns in Lebanon to find suitably close genetic partners (often cousins).

I see many here who criticise Islamic countries for being backward and oppressive.George Bush brought in presdential orders that have attacked civil liberties making the USA almost a police state.You can be arrested and detained indefinietly without legal council on the mere suspicion of being a terrorist.Obama wants to legalise assassination of suspected terrorists.

What is so progressive about the USA and it's submissive allies?

The reason why Islamic countries are being targeted is that of oil and resources.In the case of Afghanistan it is lithium,drugs,oil piplines which amount to $ trillions for industrial military complex.Iraq was a lie and Bush/Blair and their cronies need to indicted for war crimes.

Quite simply Mr Khan,

the Islamic people's struggle with their metaphysical errors is just beginning, and it has been triggered by the Western cultural expansion, namely Reason and Rationality and an ethics of True equality, not just for my "own tribe" type "equality".

What makes me really furious about this type of situation between westerners and muslims is that it shows that those in the west who call themselves "left" are racist. They treat the "other" (here the muslim) as less than they would treat a fellow "white" westerner. For instance, if I were to protest outside of a church by burning the bible, and the pastor came outside and warned me that if I don't stop he will not only kill me but many christians will kill people who support me (or even just people who are the same tribe or race as me) will be killed, what would these "leftists" say then?
Can anyone seriously imagine that they would back down. On the contrary, thwey would step up there anyagonism. Everyone, especially them, know that.

So why, when it comes to non-white, non-westerners, do they not only back off, they actively seek to make appear immoral and even evil anyone who attempts to protest against ANY non-western, non-white culture. E.g. the Indian cricket racism against Symonds last year, and any issue regarding muslims.

These "leftists" treat the "other" as though they had downs syndrome or something. If they truely want to act like everyone are equals, they should look to the Cosmopolitan's moral code. For them, people are INDIVIDUALS first, cultures second. Leftwing people can't get their head around this.

In fact, leftists are the last racists that exist in western culture. Despite what they think, most so-called "right-wing" poeple are at heart cosmopolitans, and when they complain about some muslims or other, it is most of time because they have identified racist behaviour, and it disgusts them.

Arjay..you are nuts

Want to talk about Freedoms and the relativies bewteen nations, well here is a reliable web site that will tell you.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/fiw10/FIW_2010_Map_Africa.pdf

Have a scout around the web site ...I am not doing your h/w for you... but in there somewhere is/was a table with all countries listed. Take note of how its the Islamic despots that all congregate near the bottom.

To hell with all religions, and particularly that hypocriticla version cobbled together by a depraved and murderous thug and his mates.

bigmal, start disproving the physics of freefall of WTC 7.It come down in 6.5 sec and from 3 sec is was absolute freefall as in a vacuum.How did all the component parts in this building decide in unision to collapse giving absolutely no resistance to the massive concerete and steel structures.

Let's see how nuts I am.Choose your own facts from http://ae911truth.org/ to disprove if that one is beyond you.Would you like some help in formulating some questions?

Sigh

Here we go again.

Congratulations Arjay, your monomania has hijacked yet another thread.

On a happier note I am pleased that most OLO contributors have seen through Muqtedar Khan's egregious piece.

We should not let Islam, or any other religion, bully us into giving up freedom of expression. That freedom SPECIFICALLY includes the right to say and do things that true believers may find hurtful. Most OLO participants seem to understand that.