In answer to Posted by Foxy, Friday, 10 September 2010 8:01:38 PM

Foxy you take a balanced and sensible approach to the burning of the Quran that aims to take the emotion out of the subject in an attempt to deal with it logically.

I must however comment on your absolute belief in law makers and laws in general. A successful government is often judged on the amount of legislation that it puts into law. There are no laws that give all citizens a right. Voting in Australia is not a right it is the law, so much for democracy.

Every piece of legislation is designed to take away the personal freedom of one part of society to the advantage of another. Some legislation takes away some rights of the entire population to strengthen the government and assist it to control its citizens.

Think legislation passed as a result of 9/11. Think legislation passed by the Northern Territories that directly discriminate and treat a people who have lived and survived within their unique culture for 40,000 years as children.

The law is a slippery eel and I wish we humans were evolved to such a degree that would make the law and lawmakers redundant and a more inclusive form of civilization take root.

Unfortunately in evolutionary terms human beings have just stepped out of the cave.

bigmal,

I agree with your concluding comments,many Moslems just don't seem to understand that the reason for the West's superiority on just about every measure of human development is liberal,secular democracy. The East Asians adapted Western models of industrialisation, rapidly,you'd think that Moslems would 'get the message'as well,but they haven't.
Contact with Western technology galvanised the Japanese into modernisation which later inspired the South Koreans and Chinese to industrialise. Actually the Islamic world came into contact with European technology (50 years before the East Asians) in the late 18th century,during the Napoleonic invasion of Egypt,what did Moslems do with this lead? Nothing.

Islam is just another religion and there's nothing special about Moslems-it's about time Moslems understood that obvious fact.

So stevenlmeyer says I've hijacked another thread.The Koran burning was in response to Muslims doing 911.The truth movement has absolute proof that it was impossible for people like Mohommad Atta to achieve such a sophistocated exercise without the help of insiders.

The the very basis of this present argument is seriously flawed from the outset.I have been banned from many sites such s Skeptic Lawyer but to their credit Graham Young and John Passant still believe in freedom of speech.

Where's that apology for your lies stevenlmeyer?

Ulis

I suppose this is what you mean by women having rights under Islam

She is honoured of she is not beaten about the face, according to this odious Imanic creep.

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/2600.htm

But if she was in Iran she can be killed by stoning, just for being suspected of having an affair with someone else.

Bigmal,

Get with the program. All these terrible things that Muslims do to women are not part of "true" Islam. They are cultural left-overs that Islam hasn't yet gotten around to eradicating. They are, to use the popular phrase, a "perversion of Islam" which in its pristine form is a kind and gentle belief system.

At least that's what Islamic spokesmen tell their useful idiots in the western media who then repeat this drivel to the rest of us.

Of course the people who actually perpetrate these atrocities against women do so in the name of Islam and seem to have many citations from the koran and ahadith to back them up.

Fact is, Islam is not a religion - it is a cult (controls every aspect of their Muslim lives). They are Mohammadists. They cannot question anything in the Koran. They are brainwashed as they are not permitted to think for themselves. Including a belief in anti-innovation and much much more anti-progress stuff. It is ultimately inhumane all-over.

As was mentioned above - they hardly read anything outside their own culture.