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Ethics classes: the battle for children’s hearts and minds in NSW : Comments

By Max Wallace, published 15/6/2010

There should be no Special Religious Education in state schools at all: the class is a hangover from the 19th century.

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If the religious want religion then go to a church, keep religion out of our secular State schools. Religion in State schools is illegal in the USA and all other democracies. The funniest thing about the religious cult members and their dogma's is that their religion is nothing but an accident of birth. Every frenzied up Christian cult member reading this, if born in another country or culture would have been forced at birth to be another religion, if born in Iran they would be Islamic, if born in India Hindu, etc etc, their that hypnotised and brainwashed with fear and self doubt, they don't even realise this irrefutable fact and even worse are conditioned from birth to never acknowledge this fact! Religious faith should really be called "gullible ignorance" because that is what religion is and always has been, a fraud forced on vulnerable and trusting children at birth by charlatans! I am voting for Max!
Posted by HFR, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 7:08:22 PM
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runner, most situations have straight-forward answers. Some situations require more cognition than others, such as when several separate rights are contemplated; some individuals are able to cope with that, and others cannot.

Peter Singer is a philosopher and so contemplates, publicly; as in his 2001 "Heavy Petting" article, partly a review of "Dearest Pet: On Bestiality" by Midas Dekker, 'a Dutch biologist and popular naturalist'

http://www.utilitarian.net/singer/by/2001----.htm

A discussion does not equal condoning, or deserve stoning, either.

Nor does being ejaculated on by a dog (as happened to a friend of mine when we were children); being raped by an orangutan (last paragraph of Singer's Heavy Petting article); or, being a descendent of an Australian convict who was convicted of bestiality (sex with a goat) -

http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/con-wa4.html

(search bestiality)
Posted by McReal, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 9:16:24 PM
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Mikk

you said:

He says DO WHAT I TELL YOU OR ILL MAKE YOU SUFFER. That is the difference between ethics and religion. Ethical people think and use their brains. Religious people just cower in fear before their nasty imaginary friend.

I see you need some guidance and help there.

"For God so loved....the world... that he gave...His only son."

Jesus spoke of the shepherd who had a 100 sheep.. and one became lost.. the shepherd left the 99 in the pen and went looking for the one lost one until he found it.

The picture you paint is in error.

Here is the true picture.

God created mankind, who sinned and turned away.
God reached out to mankind in reconciliatory gestures and a coveannt.

Finally.. God showed us his love in Christ. "I came that they might have life"
In this life, you have a total free choice. Do what ever you wish, you are free.

But it's worth reflecting on Pauls words to the Galatian Christians "Do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh"

It's up to you. If you pander to your own sensual earthly desires...you will reap what you sow. If you fill your heart with the Holy Spirit in newness of life, you will also reap that appropriate reward.
You know the parable of the narrow and wide gates ?

SECULAR TEACHER in ETHICS CLASS "Now Children.. we must respect others rights to study in peace"

STUDENT "why?"

SECULAR TEACHER "Errr... ummmm.. errr *because*"
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 9:39:06 PM
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So Boazy, how do we get from all that quite pleasant Christian fluff to

<< If we DO happen to have a strong and prevailing 'Christian' flavor to our culture, government and society.. hmmmm.. *thinks*.. we might consider that attacks on that flavor,culture and social fabric to be overtly racist and vilifyingly hateful...even seditious.

It also gives serious credence to the notion of requiring migrants to assimilate and adjust their cultures to fit in with ours..and specially our laws. >>

??

There seems to be something of a disconnect between the preaching and the practice, no?
Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 10:45:41 PM
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HFR:

The United Kingdom is a democracy. Religious education is not illegal there - in fact, it is compulsory.

Germany is a democracy. Religious education, although not compulsory, is permitted and is also publicly funded.

China, though, has banned religious education, as did many other communist states. Perhaps their tendency to use the word 'Democratic' in their full names has confused you.
Posted by Otokonoko, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 11:11:34 PM
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SOME GO FOR THE BODIES & "SOULS" AS WELL

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There are no "more noble" or "less refined" parts of a child, whether it be the hearts, the minds, the bodies or (for those who believe in such things) the souls. Everything is worthy of consideration. Nothing is to be neglected or ignored.

And, naturally, though some may do so, others are hovering in the background waiting to pounce, licking their lips and rubbing their hands at the thought of such a prodigious windfall.

Proselytisme in every shape and form should be banished from public schools.

Sport and cultural activities are to be encouraged alongside academic studies.

An introduction to philosophy would be beneficial as would civic education.

So-called ethics or religious instruction are private matters for the individual families to decide for their children if they so wish, at their own expense.

They have no place in public schools.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 11:33:11 PM
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