Banjo P :) glad to see you are a kind of peripheral student of Paul.

Without question, he came forth with the most profound understanding of man re his Creator that has ever been written.

All our *hard* questions are answered.. though not to our complete satisfaction....

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+9&version=NIV

verses 14-21

There you have it.

Runner speaks from the heart... so did Paul.

PS...do you know anything about the Club of Rome ?

http://www.clubofrome.org/eng/meetings/london_2009/presentations/Opening_Remarks_Dr_Eberhard_von_Koerber.pdf

See the intro, but also page 4

Top paragraph ...part beginning with:

"A key purpose of this conference is........"

See you on http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3741

http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.html

Maybe Runner makes more sense now ? :)

OH wait.. one more.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13&version=NIV

See especially verses 16-18

Happy picking (ur banjo)

Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka... an interesting post.

Unfortunately, all the states and territories do fund religion in public schools, as do the Commonwealth with the NSCP scam.

In Qld the State also supports Christianity above all other religions, giving it special status since 1910 when the word 'secular' was removed from the Education Act specifically to allow Bible lessons and Religious Instruction, not 'education' to be given, in class time, with Bible lessons given by the school teacher, in class time.

There is a challenge to be mounted to the NSCP scam:
http://highcourtchallenge.com/

These ATO funded 'chaplains', mostly with no qualifications at all, are used instead of school counsellors to assist with suicidal students, no doubt part of the reason for Professor Mendoza's resignation in disgust at the Rudd-Roxon failure in mental health.

See the latest 'revelation' from Qld here:
http://www.frasercoastchronicle.com.au/story/2010/06/23/chaplain-shares-lifes-tragedies-triumphs/

In something of a shock had a school teacher admitted this, it seems the ATO funded 'chaplain' even takes students to his home to stay overnight.

Such is the 'care' our ATO monies are paying for, via our open funding of religion.

Boazy: << http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.html

Maybe Runner makes more sense now ? :) >>

Oh, I think most of us know exactly where people like you and runner are coming from. That bogus "green agenda" website's a classic, not to mention the apocalyptic "one world government" site to which it links. Talk about looney tunes!

TBC - thanks for the info about the High Court challenge to the insidious NSCP. I'll consider donating.

Thanks for the information about the High-Court challenge but to tell you the truth I am concerned that the case may be railroaded. You see, with the WorkChoices 14-1-2006 decision the High-Court of Australia concealed relevant details and took other out of context and it has done so time and again as I have exposed in my books in the INSPECTOR-RIKATI® series. The problem is that the High-Court judges are lacking proper training in constitutional matters and one judge even refused to hand down a judgment upon the basis he didn’t know the constitutional issue. We need to have an OFFICE-OF-THE-GUARDIAN that advises the Government, the People, the Courts and the Parliament what is constitutionally appropriate. All tax-exclusions upon religious grounds is unconstitutional. What a lot of politicians are forgetting that for example if it is good enough for those who call themselves Christians to use taxpayers monies for religious issues then what if Muslims become the majority and have on every corner of a street a religious building at cost of taxpayers? What is good for the Goose is good for the Gander. As such people better be careful that today’s abuses are not going to putting in place a system that tomorrow may be regrettable.
Those who desire to practice religion, should be permitted to do so but not at the taxpayers expense.
No tax exclusions on basis of religion as it is in breach of s.116 of the constitution! Constitutionally if the commonwealth allows tax exclusion for religious entities then it must likewise allow tax exemption for non-religious entities and that means everyone would be tax exempted. That was also one of my arguments about voting that if it excluded electors on religious grounds then likewise it should exclude electors on secular grounds. And the Commonwealth didn’t challenge this a bit!
As for Queensland, I wrote an article as http://www.scribd.com/InspectorRikati being http://www.scribd.com/doc/32123406/100529-Anna-Blight-PM-Peter-Wllington-MP-Queens-Land-Constitution-Etc and you will find that this and http://www.scribd.com/doc/24672872/090309-v2-2007-Address-to-the-Court-Tribunal-g54449-00-Part-2 sets out what is constitutionally applicable in Queensland. Indeed it also sets out that the purported 2001 Queensland constitution is ultra vires.
Just take it from there.

Dear AGIR,

You are fond of making statements of your opinion and broad sweeping generalisations as though they are fact.

e.g. You wrote: Without question, he came forth with the most profound understanding of man re his Creator that has ever been written.

Without knowing all the statments made on the subject and being able to evaluate them the above statement is rubbish.

That is certainly one aspect of it, david f.

>>Without knowing all the statments made on the subject and being able to evaluate them the above statement is rubbish.<<

But what I found fascinating was the excerpt Boaz used as his own personal illustration of the "most profound understanding of man re his Creator" of which he spoke.

I still prefer the KJV, which goes thusly:

"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour" Romans 9, 20-21

This explains so much about the mindset of those who take this stuff seriously, as it absolves them from all responsibility for their thoughts and actions.

Clearly, whatever happens, it was God wot dunnit.

And the challenge - how dare you question your God's right to, for example, drown an entire civilization - is also inherent in the abdication of human responsibility.

Paul was very smart guy. He knew the intrinsic frailty of the human psyche, and exploited it to the full. People, generally speaking, hate making decisions, and an exhortation to let someone else make all those hard choices for you, is pretty compelling.