Benk <" One is that the boundaries seem to move, depending on the attractiveness of the man. This makes the rules seem unfair and unworkable. The other problem is that it often seems that men who break the rules have less trouble finding partners. The consequences of this are predictable."

I don't agree Benk. I have seen many, many unattractive men (unattractive to me anyway!) with women hanging off their arm.

You can't tell me that only attractive men, and those who sexually harass women at work or elsewhere, attract women?

Do you mean just the outwardly attractive women here?

I agree it is is often the sleezy, perfectly presented man who gets the girl in some social occasions, but that sort of man rarely sustains a relationship I have found.

Open your eyes and check it out for yourself Benk... there is someone for everyone out there it seems!

Sorry,
Did I say jugs?
I meant tankards!

Suze

" I have seen many, many unattractive men (unattractive to me anyway!) with women hanging off their arm."

So have I. What does that prove?

"You can't tell me that only attractive men, and those who sexually harass women at work or elsewhere, attract women?"

My arguments are that boundaries seem to be enforced inconsistently and those who break the rules seem to attract more women. If these rules really matter, surely we can talk about why they aren't always followed.

"I agree it is is often the sleezy, perfectly presented man who gets the girl in some social occasions, but that sort of man rarely sustains a relationship I have found."

Nor do they want to. They are getting exactly what they want. Why would they change?

Melinda is an extraordinary women who is happy to tell the truth about the derogation of the modern women because of the continuing pornification of our society. Women continue to need activists like Melinda who will speak up on their behalf and not sell them out to the capitalist marketeers who want to reshape our moral sensibilities in line with their perverted bottom line. I and many men within the Australian Mens Movement would applaud her for her courage and determination in the face of overwhelming odds. The tide for sanity is beginning to turn. You are an inspiration. Go girl! Because the truth will always win in the end.

Thank you Warwick for providing me with a moment of zen.