Extramarital sex is legal too but that hasn't stopped the denunciation of politicians and other well-know figures who have been caught out.

Campbell was a married man and the issue especially for women voters was that he was indulging in extramarital sex. That betrayed a lack of trust.

Anyhow, 'coming out' about swinging both ways and visiting sex bars would not have reduced Campbell's security risk profile one jot and the reasons why are obvious.

As minister he would have had access directly and indirectly to a lot of confidential information and he was obviously involved in decision-making as well.

Baxter sin...yes..exactly.. you are discrimited against in some ways for the same reasons people like Dennis Ferguson will tell you he was born that way.
It does not matter squat if someone was born ANY "way"..what does matter is their behavior.

If people were 'born' with a gene which makes them want to kill rather than discuss.... you seem to be suggesting they simply 'come out' "hey.. some people get angry..I just kill"

Give us a break.

You NEVER only want to 'come out' you want to teach our children about your "orientation" as if it was as normal as Fergusons, and if a certain religious group got it's way the marriage age would be reduced to 9 yrs old.. so old farts like me could marry them..and not just one, but a few !

The arguments for sympathy just don't wash. Be what you are.. don't break any laws and don't try to change any laws..and specially DON'T try to teach your 'orientation' to our children as being 'normal' because it patently is not.

Without the slightest question, homosexual orienation is an abnormal 'condition'.. yes..it is a condition.. sadly.. becaues it means those individuals can NEVER pass on their genes... they will die childless.. and not know the beauty and fulfilment of making a 'mini me'

We should have deep compassion on such sad people... sad for the above reasons. But when they try to restructure society in 'their' terms.. it becomes annoying..confronting and unpleasant.

There is no such things as a gay 'right'.... because outside of God there ARE "no" RIGHTS. There are only legal concessions to pressure groups in a democratic process.

Just as laws can be 'reformed' one way..they can also be 're-reformed' back the other.

"Should people in consenting adult incestuous relationships or in bestial relationships also come out, lest people make incorrect assumptions about their sexuality?" - Proxy which is it? I'd not really suspected you of either.

Cornflower I suspect that Campbell's situation was made worse by the fact that it was a gay club but that it would not have been a whole lot better if he had been at a hetro swingers club with his sick wife at home.

Whilst it can be awkward when people make incorrect assumptions that's a fairly normal part of life. Unless you are in an intact original hetrosexual marriage with 2.5 children it will probably happen at some point, what varies is the reaction. I've not walked in Wolfe's shoes (and thankfully I've not been anywhere near Proxy's) so I don't know what it's like to come out or be in the closet. Good luck whichever choice gay people make.

R0bert

ALGOREisRICH

well put

"Heterosexuality is what's natural, human, normal, and real. Same-sex activity isn't good for either person involved. On the part of gay activists and even the culture at large, there's been a "waving of the magic wand" - that is, a using of all kinds of wonderful words which blind people from seeing what is actually going on in gay sex."
ex-homosexual activist Michael Glatze.

Dear ALGOREisRICH,

You wrote: "don't try to change any laws"

Anybody in a democratic society has a right to try to change the laws. Who are you to tell anyone not to exercise a democratic right? Democratic societies are dynamic societies where laws change to deal with changing circumstances.

The equation of homosexuals with Dennis Ferguson is a false equation. Sex between consenting adults is not the same as sex of an adult with child, bestiality or murder. I think you're bright enough to know that.

I have compassion for homosexuals. I also have compassion for bigots who get their knickers in a twist if someone is different from what they think they should be.

Yes, homosexuals are trying to restructure society so they are accepted for what they are. Society is continually being restructured. Why shouldn't they have a go at it?

Lots of people don't pass on their genes for one reason or another. There's nothing wrong in that. In fact, with the population pressure humanity will benefit from fewer people passing on their genes. Some religions have a celibate clergy. Is that abnormal?

The only rights are the rights of human beings. Human rights do not depend on religious belief. Human rights are much more than concessions to pressure groups.

I am a man married to a woman. It's a good arrangement. I see no reason why two people of the same sex who feel about each other the way my wife and I feel about each other cannot get married and have all the rights of inheritance and other rights that heterosexual married couples have. It doesn't threaten either my marriage or me for two people of the same sex to have a legal commitment.

God is a human invention. Homosexuality isn't. It has been observed in many mammalian species. That makes it normal as far as I am concerned.