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Religion and science: respecting the differences : Comments

By Michael Zimmerman, published 31/5/2010

The teachings of most mainstream religions are consistent with evolution.

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oliver...quote..<<..The laws of physics/..would have chirality of complex molecules..to be 50:50.>>...

ok there you go...chance would have/evolution..spin bothways

yet all dna/..spirals to the right...lol
indicating god used his left hand...in so many ways...your refuting chance

but then you go/and spoil it all...with an out and out lie..

QUOTE..<<..Life (DNA)>>>see my bro...dna...isnt life...!...!
its 4 chemicals...that CAN ONLY BIND...with half of each other...

NEVER the other/..allways..in a right hand spira..[yet man...HAS...made/left-spiral...fat..that dont make you fat...lol]

[surely...in this/al-one..there is evidence/sign..of intelligence...if not..an/...THE..intelli-GENT/de-sign/..ER

as you said....<<DNA..is always right-handed.>>...meaning the same/..left...hand...[og/god]..intelligently...de-SIGN-ed...it/us..to so be

lol...you reveal gods-hand...
and still fail to see the SIGN...in de-sign-ER

<<From the first/living thing..to the last,..this is case.>>>>AHHH-men

<<There..has never been..left-handed DNA.>>yet the laws of chance/and physics...would demand.../by chance..it so be

<<The discovery of the latter/would confound the premise of a common ancestor.>>ahh/man...BUT NOT THE left/HAND...of god/.."ER"....doing it all....by design....lol

<<..Were parents/to birth to a child,..where the chirality of the DNA spontaneously reversed,>>as impossable...as an ape/breeding abouve its station...

or a virus...being self/sustaining...its/own..life

why are you/so wise...
yet cant see that//obviousness..before your eyes?

what holds you from seeing...the bleeding/obvious...
virus needs...life...to sustain..it-self

all dna...spirals to the right...
yet the laws of physical/CHANCE...indicate...the left hand spirul..is equally/possable..YET..AINT...[naturally]

under the/law's of physica...and random selection...thus the designer...is left-handed..[right/brain]..

what stops you..from seeing the good..of god?

<<<that would falsify/..one significant...lol..pillar of the modern understanding..of the genetics...<<EVOLUTION>>>LOL,,<<..of life>>>

yes your/certainly correct...
and thus/dash/for-ever...lol..,chance...lol

lets give/back..to the/intelligent/designer...
naturally/using..HIS...nature..[and left-hand...to do/
..guide..the natural/selection...of us all..lol

WHICH..he does..OH..SO...naturally...
by his...nature,

,..EMMANUEL...god within
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 11:33:24 AM
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OUG,

The point is that the handedness od DNA indicates a common ancestor. Go back and re-read what I posted. Had humans (we don't) had a different handedness than the rest of nature, now that would a curious, but we don't.
Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 1:26:32 PM
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i know what your saying...perhaps more than you do oliver

thing is....artists...are known/by their teqnique...you have your style/favoured form of writing...and so do i...

you...might/just see...how others could/sumise...if you wrote...something...or if i did,..,simply by our unique/teqnique

you see righthanded dna/spiral...as confirming..that we decended..from one cellular/life form..[in itself rebutted]...as per the tree of life...

that found..it didnt work/couldnt work///like evolution propound's...ie...when the dna/..they needed to evolve...didnt...lol..like evolution needs

as supplied..by dans link...[its sad..you didnt read that/then...you wouldnt look so wise/yet foolish now]...but its not too late...scroll/back a bit and read...the extracts...i quoted from it

try reading the whole/thing...its only a few thousand pages

because it was news to me...i thought i would check your claim...and learned more...so will share it with you

...<<..The alpha helix/in biology..as well as the A and B forms of DNA..are also right-handed helices. ...*Z form of DNA is left-handed>..

so again...there are some expectations/..overstatements rebutted

more..<<..5 Lira Turkish/banknote has a lovely left handed DNA on it!>>seems lefthand dna has its own...hall of fame
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CDIQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww-lmmb.ncifcrf.gov%2F~toms%2FLeftHanded.DNA.html&ei=eDwPTJ6YJ4fBcfKnhewM&usg=AFQjCNE0aPoiQhFNSRZqKff7Yqx4d1hQlA&sig2=TIZLUXGaOdZpF-ysXCCMxg

this looks interesting aswell
<<The left-handed &#945;&#946; spiral-DNA model provides the structural explanation of the ...>>.well you get the idea...you are in error/yet again

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pnas.org%2Fcontent%2F104%2F11%2F4309.full&ei=eDwPTJ6YJ4fBcfKnhewM&usg=AFQjCNEi2xOD2JVxeBB5bU7od1DE1qjF-w&sig2=nxiTRib0OSgkkuGSR2CY5A

mankind/has made a few stuff-ups as well..<<For examples of left handed helices that were printed by mistake, ... The DNA is double stranded. One strand spirals one way and the other ...

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CD8QFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newton.dep.anl.gov%2Faskasci%2Fmole00%2Fmole00556.htm&ei=eDwPTJ6YJ4fBcfKnhewM&usg=AFQjCNHb4F3wvuuiq0xh6jMhxjrECZiyig&sig2=iSW6Wasig0IV6T8jw2VTdA

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CEQQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scienceagogo.com%2Fnews%2F20060113011006data_trunc_sys.shtml&ei=eDwPTJ6YJ4fBcfKnhewM&usg=AFQjCNGuXtAOKhNM0yUbYG9gnLMUcuAzeg&sig2=_-XyVIYcTNHigW1Coe0eAA

SO I GUESS>>...its good that I DO MY OWN RESEARCH
cause...you cant trust abnything...evolutionists say

PRESENT SOME FAULSifyables...
no faulsifyable....NO EVOLUTION

get it?
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 5:15:01 PM
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OUG,

There is nothing in nature stopping the creation of left-handed DNA.

This point is essentially commonly occuring DNA is right-handed, suggesting a common source. I was unaware of the Z-DNA. Interesting cites not mentioned in the genetics books I have read. Thanks.

What I would not expect is would be a swap in handedness between generations of given genelogical line: That would take some explaining.
Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 6:43:05 PM
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Dear David,

Catholics do believe in the Scriptures. Nobody takes all the Scriptures ‘literally’ (so that statement is just a red herring). The Catholics, like all other Christians, try to interpret them faithfully, intelligently, and in a scholarly manner.

I am sorry that you felt insulted by my comment. I wasn’t meaning to offend by saying you had a rubbery view of truth. By this, I wasn’t trying to imply anything sinister, only that your view is a bit nebulous or underdeveloped.

For instance, you say that truth is not found in religious belief. You’ve said before that scientists are not seeking truth. So you’ve said where you can’t find it, but where can you find it? Does truth even exist for you?

I’ll admit that words like ‘truth’ or ‘science’ are not always easy to define or grab firmly. But you have not convinced me that you have much of a handle on it.

For my part, to try and define ‘science’: science is as science does. It is a bit like ‘democracy’ or ‘justice’, in that it is hard to find a one-size-fits-all definition, rather it is the compilation of its many examples.

Within science circles, evolution is the current majority accepted view, but that’s about all.

You say that it is ‘accepted’ that the sun came into being before the earth. Now, by your own words, believing in something doesn’t make it true. Does having a majority of people accept something make it true?
Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Thursday, 10 June 2010 11:02:12 AM
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Oliver,
From what I understand you’re saying, all sugars in DNA, in all types of life, are chemically ‘right-handed’, so to speak. However, all such chemical structures or polymers are naturally found to occur in a manner both left-handed and right-handed with a 50-50 ratio.

You claim this as evidence for a common ancestor. I think this could just as easily be evidence for a common creator. Is it not expected that if all life had originated from a common creator, designed to live on the same planet, then they would show many indicators of commonality in design?

However, I think you have a far greater problem. If you say that such chemical structures occur naturally in a manner both left-handed and right-handed with a 50-50 ratio, and evolution is a natural process, then how could these purely right-handed DNA come about in the first place? Who separated out the left-handed and right-handed DNA?

So what was going on there in that primordial soup? Normally one would think that it would produce the 50/50 mixture, not the pure one-handed forms needed for life
Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Thursday, 10 June 2010 11:54:17 AM
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