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OH YOU SAID REALITY ?

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I guess that's what hits you when you cross a busy road without paying attention.

Otherwise it's a purely abstract concept.

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oliver...lets skip the science...lets go with logic
[but first..a little...science...]

there is a theory/known...as..cognitave/dissonance[tcd]...which holds..that the mind..INVOLENTARILLY/rejects information...NOT IN LINE..with previousthoughts..or actions...[you cant teach an old dog/new tricks

thats why they..get/us...young
im hoping to use logic...in lue of/that you claim to know

see this/first life....you claim/we decended from..[yet science cant identify/or name..nor replicate..or find]...so we MAY have say some virus

lets ignore...that a virus...needs a host cell to replicate...that the twenty elements/life needs..is in this primordial soup..allready working..[its crazey..i know..but lets say it is so]

so this thing[unamed thing]...breeds...and replicates thousands of others/millions...no quadruillions...[yet in pure math...just one mutates...up the tree....up the evolutionary/ladder

so we have uncountable...of alpha's...and one beta...the opther a's...simply keep on breeding...and by some fluke..so too the beta

thus we have 2 beta's...then 4..then 8...and in much time...many/BUT NOT AS MANY...as the alphas..who had millions of years head start

now see that the apha's/beta's...have circular/dna..breed infinite ammounts..but allways proportunate..to their PRE-egsisting numbers

then one day a spiral dna..mutates.../then from that single/cellular..multi-cellular,..then that multi..into other life forms..into cold blood fish...into warmblood mamals...eventually into some cow like creature....mammel...that evolves into some wolf like crweature..that devolves into a whale

mate its insane...cant you get past that you think you know>?

LOOK oliver...i got that tcd...thing as well/i knew more about genetics../mendelic inheritance/physiological morphism...even the chemistry..involved in creating scimera's[ok i forget most of it now...but mate..

if you learned more...you would see the NUMBERS ..just dont add up

for every new mutation/created..
there MUST be trillions of non mutated...

even with some advantage...any change must stil be within the genus..or we dont get fertilised off spring...it al defies logic..yet here we are

ok YOU CLAIM>>YOU KNOW HOW
reveal..your SCIENCE

anyhow....YOU WRITE>>HOW IT HAPPEND
NAME NAMES...describe/replicate...

REVEAL YOUR FAULSIFYABLES
in time you se it wernt by chance
thats when you know/validate..the theory..of tcd

Oliver,
Definitely, handedness is an inherited trait. I think everyone agrees.

So now, you’re saying that life happened ‘by chance or by the innate self-organising properties of the universe.’

Well, I’ve had evolutionists on these pages swear black and blue to me that evolution is not a chance process. So, it must fall under the latter, the “innate self-organising properties of matter.”

So within that process that started once a long time ago, what are these innate self-organising properties of matter that separated the handedness of DNA into only right-handed molecules? You’ve already said that there aren’t any, in that these molecules naturally occur in a 50/50 ratio of left-handed and right-handed. Is there not a contradiction?

its clear/there..are..*no faulsifyables...able to be/presented

thus people/give links....to past glories...linking to victories...they claim...via points..that have/no science=validity

its sad..that so many/..are decieved..
but such is..the nature of/..the lie

those..who know../that evolution of species..OUT_OF THEIR_GENUS ..is factually..not_based/..in fact...are required to shut-up...

mainly because..there are so many/..ignorant/of science...as to not even comprehend...that being revealed

but/such is the fact...the godless..will allways/..seek for excuse..to keep doing their wrongs...its sad/but its fact...

luckey..god is mercyfull...

but..if you look/at/..the totality...of our being...our knowing...as being...equal..to neurons...in THE/..one gods/brain..

it becomes clear..the athiest/lie...is like-as...a cancer...in time..there is but one/little true/left...

the rest/is based on a lie/to wit a cancer

in time/..the sheer masS of a tumour...kills its host
such is the reality...that as like/..we kill off nature/nurture/..host

in like way/..we are killing off/..the natural/god/good..sustaining it...and us..our every living/loving breaths...

it can be thought..that if enough believe/..the lie
the lie/cancer..will become the reality

thus the logus..is killed..via its own defective logic/
the cancer..that shall shortly...destroy us all...

feel free to believe as you chose...soon the good of god/dies

then the big bang...reverses..into the big crunch...
yet again...till god lifts the stasis/darkness/deep..yet again..

revealing he is/..the only true...
the natural..behind nature..

till in time...the cancer kills off/not only the nature...but the natural...nurture..sustaining it...to life....'lol...LIE-fe

live/veil/evil...vile...liefe/love..lie-if

i should resent the cancer..but i cant...i can only resent the ignorance/mindlessness..that makes it spead...so fast

[time moves/..really fast...at the beginning...and the end...
[thats why millions of years..may seem like a day

but my own cancer is/gnawing in my gut/..i will leave you all to figure out the rest...but dont blame yourself...

we could only do our best...for each is given...no more/than they can bear/bare

to some...given much..to some little...but to each/gifted/so much

anyhow cheers..eh

sorry/about demanding..the impossable

*..i know/knew..you got no faulsifyable/*fact...for certain/
thus i know god..is the only certainty...left/right

but/not based on fact..[rather/in the lack of alternatives..to the self_obvious_fact...we are...here...intelligent...living

knowing like..comes only from..like/

..life from life..logic<from the logical..cancer</ignorance<from the illogical...but there is reason...under the logic...god

sometimes..its more important..to know the reason..than the logic underpinning it....the reason is clear...gods reason...not ours

bye

Dear Dan,

The single handedness suggests that the event occurred only once and was replicated over and over again. The initial state was copied.

I don't think self-organisation and chance necessarily mutually exclusive. Of course, 747 can't self assemble in the life of the universe, however, a million-to-one shot might occur, if the conditions are suitably primed (a galaxy has formed, there is a solar system, there are the right gases...).

Dear OUG,

Will come back.

Dear Oliver et al,

Stevenlmeyer started this thread with questioning why one should take any scripture seriously. That is a good question. However, it shortly disappeared with fundies taking over and questioning an aspect of science, namely evolution, which seems to be questioned only because it does not conform to scripture. The original question has disappeared but is still valid.

Why should we take scripture seriously as science, morality or history? Its morality accepts slavery and polygamy. It plays a distorted lens on history with some of the books such as Esther having no verification at all, and its science is non-existent.