Oliver...ID/Creationism should be taught in (absolutely) no schools at all, and least of all in public schools.

Maybe a minor distraction in a SOSE class could claim 5 minutes of time for this rubbish, but not in science at all at all.

Please avoid pandering to lunatics posing as teachers.

Oliver

When you or any other person can come up with a plausible explanation for origins (don't give me the big bang fantasy)you might have some scientific basis for your wild assumptions. The track record of evolution is one of twisted observations, deceit and fraud. Only the gullible or deceitful can truely call this science. With the billions spent on trying to disprove a Creator it has proven again to be a total failure and waste of money. One really does have to be very blind not to see design as the god deniers do. Thankfully there are plenty of scientist at the highest levels that know evolution is crap. Unfortunately they will always be critized just as those who opposed the science of the day (spontaneous generation ) were. Most of the scientific 'experts' still held to this dogma many years after being disproved. Nothing has changed as god deniers continue their desperate and yet pathetic attempts to deny the obvious.

one under god,

Given your scientific illiteracy, I wonder why you even bother posting on these subjects.

Just an overview so far:

Posted by one under god, Sunday, 16 May 2010 4:33:46 PM
"no science can create life..from non-life..[it can study dna..but cannot/..even make a cell membrane...lol]"

Posted by Stezza, Sunday, 16 May 2010 8:55:00 PM
"perhaps you should read this
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja710746d" = link to peer reviewed scientific paper describing the creation of a cell membrane.

1-0

"we would all be interested to review your data."
Posted by one under god, Monday, 17 May 2010 9:11:06 AM
"ok sure...i have 30 different species of fish..[all different breeds..go figure..no offspring...yet...[ditto..5 species of snails....and 50 trees/sgrubs/flower types...till something mates/making a missing link..common decent remains refuted?"

Please explain how having some fish and trees refutes common decent? How long have you observed your fish? oh only a few years...

2-0

Also, you state that you define life as "able to self replicate..in its own way/time...acreoos a liniage of time..with its own freewill.."
Please read this link : http://cba.mit.edu/events/03.11.ASE/docs/Lee.pdf = link to peer reviewed paper describing a self replicating peptide
If you disagree then you will need to state evidence to support your argument.

By the way, are you able to self replicate without "putting dna..into an ovem,..isnt creating life...its using gods egg/cellular process."? You see, using your own definition of life, you yourself are not alive. May want to think that one over.

3-0 (own goal)

Can you see how scientific debate works? you make a claim, then back it up with peer reviewed data. If this is too much trouble perhaps you should stick to discussing scripture with Runner and Richie10.

The Blue Cross,

My recent post was a little tongue-in-cheek suggesting that if the Bible is meant to be a definitive explanation, why not treat its suppositions along aside scientfic explanations? The process would allow for some interesting comparisons. One would test religonist claims, rather as science tests hypotheses. Explore questions like, if the Earth is flat, how do geo-stationary satellites stay in the same spot, while travelling at 29,000 kilometres per hour? It might give fundamentalists reason to think. ...I know the satellite and the flat Eath are revolving around heaven (not the sun) at the same constant speed. Or should that be an elephant standing on a stack of giant turtles going down to infinity? Sorri, wrong religion, but, surely it has an equal right to be taught.

You are right, of course, I shouldn't encourage the fundamentalists.

If the Bible is taught in a secular school, it should be never be taught as divine text.

runner,

Over the years, heaps of examples relating to the BB and evolution have been provided by OLO posters. Foe example, the COBE photograph.

What would you say if the CERN particle proves that matter can be created from quantum fluctuations.

OUG,

Should Zeus have punished the Titans? Whose intelligent design was better the Titans or the Olympians?

Oliver
'Over the years, heaps of examples relating to the BB and evolution have been provided by OLO posters. Foe example, the COBE photograph. '
Interesting that many astronomers believe strongly in creation.

Apologies Oliver... one never knows what angles OLO posters take at times.

I just get a little hot under the collar at times when people either pretend our schools are well run and 'education focused' rather than the cesspits of mediocrity saved only by a few decent staff in each school or they pretend that because the QSA (Qld Studies Authority, who write the curriculum) do not require ID-Creationism to be taught it is not taught.

It is, all over Qld, but certainly not in every school.

So any vague hint that otherwise intelligent people are somehow allowing this stuff some credibility is a little worrying.

Irony doesn't always work in the e-sphere, as I have found out myself from time to time.

Thanks