under one god,

First,
"no science can create life..from non-life..[it can study dna..but cannot/..even make a cell membrane...lol]"

perhaps you should read this
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja710746d

Not the creation of life as many define it, how do you define life? Does a virus count? bacterial spores? DNA?

Second,
Last time we debated this topic you stated "i'm still neutral on how god did it" when questioned about your alternative theory of evolution. Have you made any progress? I'm sure if you have ANY evidence we would all be interested to review your data.

Posted by one under god, Monday, 16 November 2009 6:43:34 AM
"jesus wasnt a jew
live with..it"

Gold.

Question to all protagonists on this thread:

I should care what religiously inspired fruitcakes think about evolution because...?

No really, why should I waste headspace on taurine fertiliser like creationism or intelligent design?

stevenlmeyer<<Question,..I should care what religiously inspired fruitcakes think about evolution because...?>>because even the pope has been decieved via science fraud

evil is so clever..in removing god from your minds..

if mankind is..all there is...at least..dont make ANY HUH_man/hero god..without fully comprehending..fully..what their true adgenda is..or asking them..what their evidence..really is..SCIENCE/fact or theory

if its so simple..a child can get it...
at least get them to actually do it...FIRST...

then get them to actually do it again...ie science..is presumed to have replicatability..not just push a theory..via buzzwords/spin..and weight of numbers/..yet only having trust/faith/be;lief../in a theory

stezza..<<perhaps you should read this
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja710746d

Not the creation of life as many define it>>lol..funny girl

<<how do you define life?>>able to self replicate..in its own way/time...acreoos a liniage of time..with its own freewill..

<<Does a virus count?>>if your saying science has made one from scratch..[not using gods dust or method...sure....present it please

<<bacterial spores?>>.spores are like seeds...did science create a seed...no it hasnt...please present fact..not opinionate theory

[putting dna..into an ovem,..isnt creating life...its using gods egg/cellular process...that sciennce cannot replicate

<<DNA?>>no dna is not life..it needs other living process's..to replicte..[its like saying windows is a computer...its simply an instruction...it cant self replicate..[outside of its conmputer....thus isnt life..

really you are chosing to remain ignorant...sxience cannot replicte life...in its fullness...it has achieved part's...but a small part..is not life...monkeies can ape humans..but they copy...not concieve their minic's

<<Second,..Have you made any progress?>>>i have..SCIENCE HAS NOT

<<we would all be interested to review your data.>>.ok sure...i have 30 different species of fish..[all different breeds..go figure..no offspring...yet...[ditto..5 species of snails....and 50 trees/sgrubs/flower types

till something mates/making a missing link..common decent remains refuted

<<"jesus wasnt a jew>>>because he wasnt born in judea
live with..it"

Good article.

Sad then that we still have the Qld Education Minister refusing to stop the teaching of ID and Creationism in Science classes in public schools up here.

It would be good if some of you OLO authors wrote to Geoff Wilson and asked him to try to steer Queensland into the 21st Century within Science.

Being a bit of a fundie himself (check his electorate web page to see how he promotes his membership of the church), with a director general who promotes her Catholicism as a mark of coming from a 'good' family on her EQ web site, Wilson will probably be more inclined to listen to Runner than anyone else.

The teacher unions also fail to halt this dangerous undermining of science, but then, it's their members who support ID and Creationism being taught, isn't it?

We certainly never hear the AEU or the QTU denouncing it, so they must be supporting it.

The Blue Cross,

If intelligent design is to be taught in Queensland schools, it should not be taught as religion. Yet, perhaps, it could be still taught, making comparisons with other creation myths. Or, students could be asked to read Genesis, to ascertain how heavy elements were formed, contrasting the OT with astrophysics.

Yes, teach that Biblical fundamentalist believe that Jessica Watson sailed around a flat world; yet, apply inquiry based learning, to test these propositions. If the world was created in 4,004 BCE, ask why are there 10, 000 year old trees and 80,000 year inter-generation root systems? Why would the Intelligent Creator “trick” scientists into being able to show the early universe was very hot and cooled over billions of years by creating background radiation of 2.7 degrees Kelvin? If creating the insect world is intelligent, why is intelligent designer so cruel?

I see nothing wrong with interrogating religions, as one might the
Theory of Relativity.

So, yes, do have a show and tell. But… And it is a big but, the religion must be treated as a scholastic subject.

OUG and runner,

Was it one of you who answered me once saying no level of evidence would convince you Genesis wrong?

Herein, I ask again;

What would convince that a god did not create the Universe 6,000 years ago; with the two first humans, animals, stars, light beams from stars starting millions of parsecs away commencing in mid-space with their spectra adjusted, as if the stars were billions of years old, just to fool our instruments?

When did the Cambrian exinction occur? Please don't say the Flood. The strata are wrong.

Ozbib,

The catch is to religionists,with the "God of the gaps", gaps are held infinitely divisible. A bit like a Zeno parason.

If a science once denied religionits, is empirically proven, the religionist will jump horses and claim, "well, it is God that allows the science to work". Just wait and watch the findings from the CERN partical accelerator over the next five years. If it is shown that quantum fluctations exists supporting the spontaneous creation of matter, the religionists (except runner) will forget their old disagreements, say, "we have always known God created physics, even in a closed self sustaining universe"