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Intelligent design: scientifically and religiously bankrupt : Comments

By Michael Zimmerman, published 14/5/2010

From both a scientific and a religious perspective, intelligent design is dead and buried.

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Vanna,

Scientists don’t use the term ‘theory’ the same way we do, and I think you need to learn the difference between a ‘law’ and a ‘theory’... http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm

A law is not a ‘proven’, or a ‘more proven’ theory as you appear to think. You seem to confuse ‘hypothesis’ with ‘theory’ and think that because evolution is referred to as a “theory” that it’s still only a hypothesis.

There are some smaller details about evolution that are uncertain and others that are continually being refined as we learn more, but the core fundamentals of evolution are established facts.

Evolution is both fact and theory.
Posted by AJ Philips, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 2:40:25 PM
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OH=liver<<What would convince..that a god did not create the Universe 6,000 years ago;..with the two first humans>>im convinced,the science is clear...

..the bible dosnt say 6000 years old..WHY DO YOU?..typical redirection...lol

just like THIS LINK THAT DONT WORK...<<perhaps you should read this
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja710746d" it may link to peer reviewed scientific paper...BUT IT DONT WORK

please explain..OR GIVE A LINK THAT DOES WORK..you claim..it's describing the creation of a cell membrane...well explain it HERE

here is the message i got
<<ERROR:..The requested article..is not currently available on this site.>>>no doo-doo..its typical of your selectivism

1-0..to me

<<Please explain how having some fish..and trees refutes common decent?>>>please prove your case



2-0

<<Please read this link : http://cba.mit.edu/events/03.11.ASE/docs/Lee.pdf = link to peer reviewed paper describing a self replicating peptide>>>wow...please give me details where IT SITS..ON THE TREE OF LIFE!

If you disagree..then you will need to state evidence..
to support your argument...cause your facts are selective

3-0 (own goal)

Can you see how scientific debate works?

yes i can...you need FACTS..
then link them together..BUT YOU DONT GOT NONE..
if you make a claim,..then back it up..with peer reviewed data!

your a deciever as well as decieved...cheers eh...squeers
you got ego..ergo you got nuthin..
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 2:43:29 PM
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Dear runner,

It would be good if you could bring yourself to actually read and understand a post before you commented on it. I quoted an article from a Christian publication. Those were not my words that you took issue with. They were the words from that article I quoted. It is generated accepted that the moon was created 4.6 billion years ago, but those were the words of the Christian Science monitor, not mine.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 3:04:22 PM
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one under god,

Sorry the complete reference is:
Positioning Lipid Membrane Domains in Giant Vesicles by Micro-organization of Aqueous Cytoplasm Mimic. Ann-Sofie Cans, Meghan Andes-Koback and Christine D. Keating. J. Am. Chem. Soc., 2008, 130 (23), pp 7400–7406
DOI: 10.1021/ja710746d http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18479139

You can also read the lay version of this here: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080515171023.htm
This completely disproves your statement that we cannot create a cell membrane in vitro, but I'm sure you won't bother reading it. Its easier to stay ignorant.

I've provided ample evidence supporting my case and destroying all of your theories, including using your own logic to prove that you do not count yourself as alive.

Therefore I will not waste any more time on someone who believes a scientific debate can be won by stating "you need FACTS...BUT YOU DONT GOT NONE.."
Pathetic.
Posted by Stezza, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 4:58:04 PM
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my apologies Davidf. I am glad that you agree it is science fiction.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 5:13:50 PM
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AJ Philips
A theory is not a fact.

A fact will withstand any test. A theory is based on current experimental data only, and is put into place until something better comes along.

The belief that a cell (with the enormous complexity of its organelle) can somehow accidentally form is still a theory, and it would be best to keep an open mind. Who knows what new experimental data will show.

David f,
So you don’t believe a planet can lose its atmosphere. What happened to the atmosphere of Mars, and would it be worthwhile trying to get an atmosphere back again, so as to put some life onto the planet and teraform the place.

Or perhaps that wouldn’t be evolution, so we shouldn’t do it, or even think about it.
Posted by vanna, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 5:56:51 PM
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