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Intelligent design: scientifically and religiously bankrupt : Comments
By Michael Zimmerman, published 14/5/2010From both a scientific and a religious perspective, intelligent design is dead and buried.
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Posted by AJ Philips, Thursday, 3 June 2010 8:37:22 PM
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Hey Dan, thanks for the link. I have to admit, I can see how, by highlighting the gaps in our knowledge, Creationists can actually contribute to science. It's possible that scientists, being human, will tend to fall into a paradigm and tend to overlook, or gloss over those gaps which don't easily conform to their theories.
I think Bugsy has hit on the most important difference between scientific method and ID. Science attempts to achieve a level of understanding which enables the scientist to make accurate predictions. In this sense, I guess Maths, if considered a science, is the most accurate predicter of all, although quantum mechanics has been a very successful theory, offering remarkably accurate predictions despite stressing the indeterminacy of the very small. For the same reason, evolutionary theory has been very successful. In contrast, I don't think even Runner would suggest he/she can predict what God will do next. So by all means, Creationists, pick holes in the scientific method; you can only make it better. But would you seriously suggest we should abandon the pursuit? BTW, there was a line in your link (well actually many lines) I had to have a wry smile about. "...terminating in the highest organism yet, humans..." I wonder if any atheistic evolutionists would agree with that line. It seems to dwell in the paradigm of Man, "Created in God's own image". As I have pointed out before, the more "evolved" a species is, the more specialised it becomes, and the more prone to extinction. I don't believe humans are that evolved yet, Or, if urban humans are, it's through memetics rather than genetics. Posted by Grim, Friday, 4 June 2010 7:57:06 AM
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I had been racking my brain as to what this “similar scientific method” was, and then I remembered...
“By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.” http://creation.com/what-we-believe http://www.answersingenesis.org/about/faith Now, I may just be delving a little too deep into semantics here, but I suspect that the above could potentially act as a slight hindrance to inquiry. Not very ”similar” though, is it. Posted by AJ Philips, Friday, 4 June 2010 4:04:48 PM
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how de-spirite...those are...who grasp at straws
quote..<<..By definition,/no apparent,..perceived or claimed evidence in any field,..including history and chronology,>>>look up the meaning of include...include confines..the comment..to the stated fields.. anyone taking it beyond that declared,...to include histry...or cronology...thats very definitive...its al;so specific...thus dont include science...[true science..that is] and evolution of genus...isnt science fact...of course evolution of species..is valid...yes genetics...is valid/science... but expounding..that of species..wighin their genus... into evolution of genus..[as per the tree of life]...thats bull...ssss-hit true science has faulsifyables...species/evolving..WITHIN..their parental genus...has faulsifyable...BUT species...MUTATING...out of their genus..is pure delusion out of genus evolution is...fraud...it has never been recorded...EVER thus the delusion of genus/..evolving into new genus..is deception..and evolution..[as per the tre of life..out and out fraud even the tree of life/project..has gone silent..on the issue thats the best you can come up with..is creationist quotes thats so sad...you who claim science method..cannot confirm..your hypo-thesis... science has fallen..so far... failed to verify...confirm... failed to replicate...thus evolution of genus..is dead you have clearly a theory...and not one scrap of evi-dense i care/little about dead words...still loving my first love/science but clear fraud..de-serves..thus i give the fraudsters.,..the contempt..it deserves semantics...isnt sxcience you cant refute creator...creating/creation... even if your theory has/had..valididity... knowing and doing/proving...are three different things READ DANS LINK REBUTT>>IF YOU CAN in lue of reply..your ongoing destraction/.../LACK OF FACT/faulsifyable... or REBUTAL... speaks for itself why are those completly/ignorant..of science/method.. even allowed to opinionate..on their delusions..of granduer any retard..can claim..to have faith..in science..or religion but by their deeds reveal..they are far from being allknowing..the topic..about witch they dare speak Posted by one under god, Saturday, 5 June 2010 9:06:06 AM
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ok,,the silence..is deafening..so lets move on/with what..the reality really is...we been decieved./..deliberatly..kept ignorant
we get simpletons...keeping it simple...dumbing down/thought..so we look up to..the godheads..in lab-coats..as the clever-nerds..thats going to/save us...lol..[save us thinking] so here is/a thought..ever heard of..the BIG-BANG...? or the expanding uni-verse...how about..the expanding earth? there you go..lets think on this http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html basiclly...the case is made/at the link..for the earth..EXPANDING neal..refutes the concept of huge..[50 mile thick/continental-plates...[lol]..floating...lol imagine...a 50 mile..thick..plate..subjudcting..UNDER another 50 MILE/thick plate...somewhere in the laws of boyancy..SHOULDNT THERE BE 75 MILE HIGH MOUNTAINS...lol ..yes/..we been conned..yet again read the link/folks http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html feel-free/..to try to rebut..neals case its convincing...it includes..new info... WHY ARE THEY KEEPING YOU../..DUMBED DOWN? yes/..we live in an expanding-universe...on an expanding earth..it makes sense...but some are attatched to the whoreship of science..fed dis-info..like santa-clause..is fed to kids EVOLUTION OF GENUS..IS FRAUD...get it? WHILE were at it/..here is some more info THEY HAVNT TOLD YOU ABOUT heard of free energy..!...!...? cant find/..the origonal site but here is a link to the topic... to add to the search.. your search for TRUTH energy from nothing... what could that cost? http://www.energyfromthevacuum.com/ there is a picture near the end..that could easy fit..into your boot plenty more ideas here http://www.electricenergy.de/ but they need us to think...energy costs ever more... cause they want dumbed down CONSUMERS...to pay huge MULTINATIONALS ..PLENTY OF CASH WHO GO GET THE SHOT...when the next/..big scare..delivered by the men in white/lab-coats...come on the screen..and say we all going to die..if we dont get..the latest/sars/bird/swine flue shot BOUGHT/paid for by govt...upon the declaration of a pandmic...by wto/panel...who work for the vacine-makers...lol.. its a neat con-job bought to you by the builder-bergers.. the guys from enron..bankers/lawyers..the men in black suits...and those in white lab coats... read the truth folks they are meeting today...have been meeting/..for the last 3 days..and they want you..to stay as dumb as you currently are...no more..no less you didnt hear it..via the media..? because they lie as-well... go figure eh? it started with/little lies... but now they are huge lies http://www.prisonplanet.com/bilderberg-2010-prisonplanet-com-master-page.html wake-up! Posted by one under god, Sunday, 6 June 2010 12:58:52 PM
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from/the ..other/debait
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3623&page=0 OHliver..offers...lol...neo/genus...lol its...a..*PROPOSED..neo/new genus... its is..a re-clasification..of a previously recorded/species... NOW REALISED..to be/in the...wrong genus its sad/you find...the delusion...of missclasifying/a genus...as some sort of'evidence'... *please...PRESENT YOUR..FAULSIFYABLES...! the/reclasification...dont validate/ species...EVOLVING...out-of..their genus../which..has not_EVER_been recorded..nor/observed..nor/replicte-able..even/if..it had.. and/..it aint.. ANYONE/..CAN POST/LINKS here are some..other/media/deceptions... as bad/worse..than...the delusion..of genus/evolving here..are some links/..as to/..the why/how/who..of the decption.. as our/YOUR..credit slowly/dries-up..its worth/seeing..just who/..is still..able to get it/..and who isnt noting..bankers/..have paid for/..every war...for centuries they financed;..the natzies...for egsample/..many of which's..firms/multi-nationals/duel-passport...holders ...are still going/today..credit/rich...lol..as usual from..alex James:..THIRTY-TWO STATES NOW BANKRUPT: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/3a1a1e40eb19654f ___________________________ Zionism = Nazism:..Is there a difference/that makes a difference?,..by Roger Tucker part II of 'Us vs...Them:..On the Meaning of Fascism' http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/79782034e2c1b824 ______________________________ Why the Zionist JEWS/are your worst enemy..by Randulf : http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/b43ddb7805d1ff63 _______________________________ Videos:..Gang of Jewish Rabbis..arrested for selling body parts..using Politics and..Religious Fairy Tales..to cover up/their crimes: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/8d97a25c9011aace ______________________________ JEWISH lady..in charrge of MMS/..which gave BP the go ahead/resigns...(really fired): http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/99781387d6166af0 ________________________________ Gordon Duff:..Was America the Golden Goose..that Zionists wanted to fleece..just like they/fleeced Germany? http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/eb1de1c6d62c6250 _________________________________ CBS 60 MIN...TRUE STORY OF BILDERBERG GROUP:..How governments and their/intelligence agencies..working with international drug dealers and/hired terrorists for/mutual benefit and profit: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/81423651bdc25b40 ___________________________________ 10 Shocking Things..To Know About the BP Oil Spill:..Goldman short Transocean..and this/owner of the exploded oil rig/has made $270 million off the leak,..BP..plans/to profit..from disasters,etc: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thrad/c4cf604307f9ea60 _________________________________ Gaza humanitarian flotilla/versus Zionist Israel's..evil navy?: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/45ade962fb5cb833 ________________________________ The Former Director Of B'nai Brith Quebec,/Bill Surkis Pleads Guilty To Child Porn Charges: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/08eae9a3f7b74c82 ______________________________ Christopher Bollyn:.."Michel Friedman/and the Jewish Zionist Crimocracy": http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/cd428c6129464b6f _______________________________ Video:..Zionists genocide 100,000../Sephardic Jewish kids:..How will Zionist give..justice to Arabs..if they don't even give Sephardi Jews justice: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/85e4030068c4674b _______________________________ former ITN & BBC Middle East Correspondant/Alan Hart Exposes Zionist evil: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/55 74aa9e589fce77 the mess-iah..once said... by their works shall you know them he hated..the money/changers...who financed the natzies http://www.prisonplanet.com/bilderberg-2010-prisonplanet-com-master-page.html ursury especially...isiah curses media/especially...well know we/the decieving media/run by..the conrad/blacks..murdoch's...etc Posted by one under god, Monday, 7 June 2010 9:12:56 AM
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So on the issue of usefulness, it’s still...
Evolution: [some large number too high to count accurately];
Creationism: 0
What was that you were saying about the Sate of Origin runner?
Dan’s “circular argument” argument is a classic that has been discredited many times. See http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB810.html
<<The whole issue is more one of philosophical concern...>>
Wrong Dan.
The scientific method ensures that philosophies don’t get in the way. Of course, you remembered that I taught you this, so you followed it with this...
<<...as by now most scientists in practice follow a similar scientific method.>>
And what “similar scientific method” would that be?
“The Bible says it; I believe it; that settles it” is not a "similar scientific method", I’m afraid.