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Intelligent design: scientifically and religiously bankrupt : Comments
By Michael Zimmerman, published 14/5/2010From both a scientific and a religious perspective, intelligent design is dead and buried.
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Posted by Oliver, Sunday, 30 May 2010 10:36:19 AM
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It appears that the designers of the new national high school curriculum agree that Creationism and its ID trojan horse are, if not perhaps dead and buried in the minds of their deluded adherents, ancient history for the rest of us:
<< CREATIONISM and intelligent design will be taught in Queensland state schools for the first time as part of the new national curriculum. Creationists dismiss the science of evolution, instead believing that living things are best explained by an intelligent being or God, rather than an undirected process such as natural selection. The issue of creationism being taught in schools has caused huge controversy in the US, where some fundamentalist religious schools teach it as a science subject instead of Darwin's theory of evolution. In Queensland schools, creationism will be offered for discussion in the subject of ancient history, under the topic of "controversies". >> http://tiny.cc/ropu4 I would have thought that if they are to be taught to kids at school, then they problem belong in the English curriculum under the headings of 'fantasy' and 'fiction'. However, I guess in Ancient History they could be discussed along with other ancient myths and legends. Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 30 May 2010 11:07:40 AM
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Er, I meant to say "they probably belong in the English curriculum". Freudian slip, perhaps?
Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 30 May 2010 11:28:00 AM
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it is allways interesting..[i will let your/freewill..decide what it is]
but lets rely oliver...quote..<<..Was the creation of Satan intelligent design?>>.[creating satan...sets up a negative...allowing freewill...as opposed to monopoly/mono-tony...see the freewill is a nessesity...that validates/freewill [see that evolution..needs an opposing...thus the need..for schools/..for egsample...to give the opposing/..ID...[if only to alow a choice..to the fantisy..of evolutionary theory so yes...satan/or rather the concepts/imbeued...in an opposing...to good...allows us a freewill... as well as confirming god is no dicktator...loving even the oppisite...[it was satan/who rejected/god's/good...thus confirming..even more/..god's clever design <<god in so doing ultimately brought about Jesus' crucifixion.>>>jesus knew he must die...was more than willing to die...such/is hios faith...in the good/of god him dying...confirmed...we are all born/again... [ignoring the delusion/that he died for our sin...lol] <<Can God create a better designer,>>...as mankind is revealing...we/created..in his image...are improving all the time...collectivly..who knows... [jesus..who wasnt god...said that ye se me do...you will do greater]...a fruit/cannot fall far from the tree...who knows what we/reflections of the most good...shall collectivly do in time shall we be...<<more capable than himself?>>of course not/everything we individually know./god knew before us...all we collectivly know...god knows...its a case of what came first..the person..or the god we know god was..then we were...we know god..shall be hereafter[even when the physical/uni-verse..collapses..in on intself...and god starts..the big bang...all over again.. god will yet be creator/sustainer of life... and we mere figments of his mind/creation's <<.is god constrained by laws of entrophy>>.of course not...[learn..infinite/immortal/eternal/omnipotant../spirit the flesh is weak but spirit/gods wholely spirit...thats eternal Posted by one under god, Sunday, 30 May 2010 1:49:57 PM
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OUG,
You say God is not a dictator with regard Satan's will, yet, surely he can set parameters. Even now, we can't jump over mountains and can't solve some hard problems. God could have delimited free will, put, a governor on the system. I will refine the question for you. Was it intelligent design for God to give Satan the free will to set in motion the events that led to the crucifixion? If I (or Elohim) let a savage dog out on the street and it bites someone; whose fault is that? Posted by Oliver, Sunday, 30 May 2010 2:52:41 PM
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oliver...we have been lied to regarding god..[he is all loving etc]..and more...
as is written...he need but say be/..and it is anything..he wishes... [what is power...or hate.. to one who has anything..[except equal]... i know its a hard thing to believe/ in fact far easier to deney..than confirm but it stands to reason...but how to explain i first pictured god as a puppy...all loving...all love but being all powerfull...simply him...'playing'..with us.. could crush/us...and the puppy would..[lovingly]..loose its plaything ok i know its hard to swallow...but when your god..there are no rules look back at the bible stories...clearly takling sides...doing miracles...all that simply speaking dont work...[lord we cant even obey ten/simple rules...let alone the hundreds of mosaic rules[ thus god concluded...rules dont work may even be bad.. as it gives a guide/..to those seeking/thinking..to upset god.. or simply to sin...not that this affects god in the least [what is sin...to a judge...who sees no evil what is death...to one..who knows/..we cant die] ] we do have parameters...as such... we are bound to earth/...in flesh...for one life sentance the fish are bound to water etc...trees are fixtures... think how..what we are...controles/..what we can do OFTEN/occasionally..we can grasp... the higher/mind imagry..that enters our brains.. but the same imagry...sent to a brain of a worm..is wasted creating satan...didnt crucify jesus...freewill/fear/deceit.. did if you release a savage dog... this too..is your freewill..[or idiocy... but i know you couldnt/...or rather wouldnt its easy to grasp that of god...its ALL GOOD any vile...isnt of god Posted by one under god, Sunday, 30 May 2010 5:09:10 PM
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Can God create a better designer, more capable than himself? Or is god constrained by laws of entropy?