Well, the most *convenient* science that uses evolution as a basis is clinical microbiology.

Artificial antibiotics have been synthesised that do not correspond closely to those occurring in nature. Do go look it up yourself.

At introduction, no bacteria possessed genes for resistance to these antibiotics, existing antibiotic resistance genes not being applicable to deliberately altered backbone structures.

Resistance genes now exist and are transferred extensively between bacteria, causing notable public health issues.

So. The application of evolution to this example is so trivial as to be an exercise for remedial readers like Dan. The reality and relevance to the health of us all is clear and well focused. The creationist position that evolution is other than a workaday fact is at odds with the health of us all.

Bugsy: the fact that Dan was sufficiently partisan to not bring examples like this up himself exposes the fundamental dishonesty of the creationists that participate in these discussions.

ID is bankrupt due to the absence of the putative "intelligent designer"

Do note that proponents of "Intelligent Design" *never* propose a merely mundane designer who may have visited earth and "nudged" evolultion, nor do they address the problem of the designer of the designer, thereby showing their lack of interest in genuine examination of the topic, merely in endersing the particular vacuous bandwagon that relieves pastor of genuine work.

Rusty

Dear Rusty,

On two threads, I have used th example of what is known about the HIV virus where the virus that kills the victim can be different to the virus caught in the fist place.

I expect the fundamentalist Christians will reply that the host cell was natural and created by God. On the other hand, these same folk maintain the God is allowed to use existant inorganic elements to create organic life.

Makes for debate which I guess is why we are here: To exchange views.

yet more of the same....game

those /..ignorant of science method
claim the science
then demon-straight..their ignorance
by being unable to present...science faulsifyables

lol

the joke...is...they decieve only themselves
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=10496&page=0

oliver..<<..Did God exercise free will..when he created Satan>>i know your wise use of words/thus will reply as opinion

god...no doudt...used his freewill...well before he...''created'...satan...

if the question...was intended...to be read as did god conciously/exersize...freewill...in creating satan...then we are using circular logic

see that god creates/sustains life...

he sustains satan...to live...from there satan has freewill...to love god...yet reject his creation...as being unworthy..of his enduring love/loyalty

see that i love satan...finding his/loyalty..to the creator refreshing...more refreshing..than the christ...who in forgiving all...often forgives the unforgivable

god of course loves us all...loves the christ...equally...as he loves and sustains to live..the satan...sustains even the most vile their living...equally as he sustains the most beneficiant/good

jesus gave a hint...[the least shall be greater..than the baptiser]..meaning...which...'least'..was he refering to....not judas...[who was the christs/best mate...

[but for his...'betrayal'...all those claiming...christ..'died..for our sins'...would be futile...the christ had to die...so he could re=appear...3 days later...

and prove we all...shall live again...[revealing the lie..of some far-off..judgement day]...with the dead smouldering...in their...'graves'....till...lol..reserection...lol..day...lol

oliver...quote.,..<<...On the other hand,/these same folk maintain the God..is allowed/to use existant inorganic elements to create organic life>>...sadly..you dont get...it..

see god...animates..life...sustains..the dust...to live

see that...life..comes from life;...a living sperm...enters..a living ovum...life from life...yet all life..is animated...to live...by god

we know god created the firnmament...from the deep
think..of big bang...all matter...compressed..into the space..of one fullstop..[.]...

any...living..inside..the/pre/big bang/deed
well know...that all/ie...air/earth/wind/fire...
all are like water/treakle...or as the bible calls it the deep

from this deep...god said..let there be light...and bang...there is light...then he said..let there be firmament...arise from the deep..and lo there were your minerals..etc

the means...by which this was done..is expansion..resulting from the big bang...let there be light...god next said..let there be plants...life etc..

all science has done..is re-pack-age...the first book/scroll..of the bi=two...ble=books...the two books..revealing the old/new test-i-meant

Evolution 2 AND creation 1. And the game is still on. Smile.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

However, I appreciate your talent. You have elevated confusion to an art form.
Posted by david f, Monday, 31 May 2010 8:26:07 AM

I think god must of had split personality disorder problems ( smile )and its all sum-ed up when you read the words....... "I make man in the image of myself".

Love will always have its place concerning the lord, but science
does not see love" it only views the facts and theories.

This is why the evolved religions shall always be with us.

For the better I hope.

TTM

CJ Morgan,
I heard you say that Wikipedia was not authoritative for you. I was glad for that. It was after saying that that you were almost compelling Vanna to read a particular Wiki article. This is why I asked, had you reverted or changed your mind.

However, I see now that that bit was ‘deleted for flaming’. I don’t know why they deleted your sentences. I’m still yet to work out why this website objects to some things when they let most things through. I don’t know what was so inflammable. I’ve yet to see a definition for ‘flaming’. So in that respect, I’m on your side.