Yeah, Dan I was bored.

Ok, how about phylogenomics?
http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pcbi.0010045

Or how about just about anything in biology that relies on comparative genetics?

Please do tell how a 'design framework' would be better for biology. I'm sure the scientific world would like to know.

Ok, your turn, reference please.

By your own analogy Dan, your team are playing a different sport. Or are you saying that scientific findings don't need to be written in scientific journals? Good luck with that.

The "controversy" here is entirely manufactured, with Dan S de Merengue its Head of Production.

The quantity of posts, sadly, is no reflection of the quality of the ID position, despite Desperate Dan's attempts to show otherwise.

As evidenced by the latest of his many red herrings to be dragged across the trail.

>>You’ve said there lots of research that uses evolution theory as a basis. Can you show where evolution is producing anything useful that exceeds what would be achieved by using a design framework?<<

Given that "useful" is a delightfully vague adjective, and "exceeds" is a term that in this context can only be employed on an entirely subjective basis, the question can only be a means to extend an otherwise sterile, and utterly hopeless, argument.

A masterpiece of obfuscation, from a master of the genre.

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Dear Oliver,

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"Was the creation of Satan intelligent design? God in so doing ultimately brought about Jesus' crucifixion".

As I related earlier on this forum, young Abraham was the first to witness the jealous fury of the large idol when it smashed all the others in his father's shop.

Standing there amongst the ruins, the destroyer then solemnly declared in a cavernous voice:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:4-5).

This is clear evidence of the grim determination of the large idol to eliminate all potential rivals and the degree of callousness and barbarity of which it was capable.

There is absolutely no excluding the possibility that the whole scenario of the crucifixion of Jesus may have been a diabolically intelligent design concocted and instigated by the large idol in order to eliminate an exceptionally gifted young idol who was fast becoming a somewhat cumbersome rival.

One should also take into account, your honour, the fact that another close relative of the accused, the Holy Spirit, mysteriosly disappeared soon after the abominable though, albeit, legal assassination of Jesus.

He who was known as The Holy Spirit was last reported to have been seen when he made an impromptu visit to a group of Jesus's old fishing mates during a quiet get together on the Whit Sunday following his crucifixion and has never been seen since.

That, your honour, marked the end of the triad.

All power automatically fell into the sole hands of the large idol who continues, to this day, to reign as unique and undisputed intelligent designer and manufacturer of the universe.

Ever since those terrible events, almost 2 000 years ago, the mystery remains unsolved and continues to haunt the hearts and minds of numerous devout idol worshipers.

I leave the court to draw its own conclusions.

The prosecution rests its case.

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That's what I love about those stories. They're so dramatic.

>>Standing there amongst the ruins, the destroyer then solemnly declared in a cavernous voice: "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:4-5).<<

It's that "cavernous voice". So 1950s Hollywood, so... Cecil B de Mille. Charlton Heston as the voice of God in "The Ten Commandments" springs to mind. Such a pity we don't seem to have had any similar revelations in our lifetimes. But I guess that most of us were taught as kids to stay well away from burning bushes.

Although Val Kilmer did more recently put just a small dent in the genre.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489853/

But on reflection, I do think that might be Intelligent Design's biggest flaw, right there.

How does ID explain "Val Kilmer is Moses, in 'The Ten Commandments', the musical?"

Evolution, on the other hand, has no problem at all with the concept.

Grim,

Polanyi is a tricky guy to read even with book in hand. He definitely uses unfamiliar words in atypical contexts. Sometimes, he is really keen on prepositions and reading him is giddy work. On the other hand, he is like Sir Humphrey (Yes Minister), if you take the time to go over what he said, it does come together.

Apart from writers who use commonly known Greek and Latin words as a flourish; I am never impressed with show-off writers who crossover into another languages for several sentences.

Banjo,

We have deliberated on the evidence and find that the Big Idol after disposing of rival bosses at the Council of El, designed/created His Caporegine, Satan, to do devil knows what. Jesus has remained his Underboss. As alluded to, the Holy Spirit is still at large and has started His own organisation on Whit Sunday, which has been renamed Whit Monday, to assert a new presence.

As punishment, this Court finds that the Big Idol and Satan be reincarnated. The Big Idol is to become a fourteen year old boy in the care of Brothers on an isolated island and Satan is put into the care of nineteenth century Irish nuns.

Epilogue: Jesus is rumoured to return soon, to rain fire and brimstone on Whit Monday.

Dear OUG,

Did God exercise free will when he created Satan?

Dear Pericles,

- Charlton Heston...

Perhaps that is why the Pope allowed Michelago to paint the Sistine Chapel.