Runner,

Since you very deliberately and very desperately defend literalism by cherry-picking quotes from scientists who do not actually oppose or disagree with evolution, whose moral relativism is more to be valued?

Hang on, even the (very nominally) deist scientists you quote are heretics by your rules too. They don't believe in *your* god either.

Hmmmm.

I'l take ethics any day. *Your* moral relativism is only there because pastor would have to do a days work to come up with better.

Rusty

Houellebecq: <"...the vast majority haven't gained any reward from it '
Hmmm, protection, security, food. It's an avenue the downtrodden men don't have access to.">

Well apart from the fact that "downtrodden men" DO access the avenue - via buying/selling other humans as a commodity - what's stopping men from selling themselves?

What stops you from selling your body for someone else's use?

Runner <" If you come up with the same conclusion as God you will more likely live a more blessed and peaceful life than if you don't."

Where did you hear what your God's conclusion was Runner?
From the 2000 year old book where several men claim to 'know' what he said through an apparent human son?
Oh, ok then.

I am assuming that you live a more blessed and peaceful life than all the non-believers then Runner?

You never sound very peaceful on these posts though.
You sound angry and judgmental.

If that is what believers sound like, then I am glad I am not one of them!

Boy this is the most entertaining debate ever ;)

I think that ever since the rise of the Christian church, and the efforts to stamp pagan behaviour, people have been trying to control or moderate human sexual behaviour ever since.

Who was the saint who began the book of sins?

There is evidence that (some) women both resent and desire male attention, which is really a no win situation.

Whilst a married woman may enjoy attention from other males, woe betide her husband if he should pay too much attention to another female.

On either side of this subject there are numerous opposing and conflicting values, beliefs and behaviours.

Sex is really about a womans power to control us blokes.

pynch,

Ah, I get it, you see all men as one. If a few men buy and sell humans, all men have the power to do so. I disagree.

When men are the buyers and sellers, and 90% or so of men are hetero, there is less market for men to sell themselves.

'What stops you from selling your body for someone else's use?'
Fortunately I have other options, like the vast majority of women in Australia.

The point is, take a poor man and a poor woman, both with no education and low intelligence and prospects, the woman at least has the option to sell her body. The man generally doesn't. With more women in power in the world, there would be less men in jail for theft and more men on the game.

I'm sure you believe women in power would not 'buy and sell humans', but just look at White privileged women on sex tours to Africa and see the men happily taking the opportunity to be looked after.

Suzie you write

'I am assuming that you live a more blessed and peaceful life than all the non-believers then Runner?'
Up until now I have lived a very blessed and peaceful life. Whether it is more blessed than unbelievers I suppose it depends how you measure. Many unbelievers I know are never really satisfied in life. They need more booze, a younger woman or drugs to make them happy. Others whole enjoyment depends on whether their footy team wins or not.

'You never sound very peaceful on these posts though.
You sound angry and judgmental.'

Your conclusion that I am very judgemental seems to derive from the fact that Jesus taught that all who reject His great love ends in hell. Speaking the truth does not make a person judgemental. You might actually find that it is quite merciful especially if a person is saved from that destination.

I am angry at times which is a normal emotion. I am angry when I see kids abused. I am angry when I see old people bashed. What you do with anger is what is important not the fact that you have the emotion of anger. My family and friends would not describe me as an 'angry' person. That is more important to me that what a stranger labels me.