Thanks for explaining your god runner. You treat my questions with great respect. I often wonder why other posters have such a problem with you.

Hey I like this quote from a movie. I don't know whether it is even in the bible, but I wonder what you think of it given your last post...

'The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee. '

Houellebecq: Is that Pulp Fiction? One of my favourite (well, top couple of dozen but I haven't seen it in a while) movies and a very interesting character study.

You're such a tease, Houellebecq.

>>Hey I like this quote from a movie. I don't know whether it is even in the bible...<<

You know perfectly well there's no such passage in the Bible.

Jules says: "There's a passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17"

But the "quote" is pure Tarantino.

The Ezekiel verse is much less exciting:

"And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them."

I think in the original it goes on to say "and I'll stamp my foot, very hard, then you'll be sorry", but that bit got lost in translation.

Houellebecq: <"Who is the idiot pynchme? She's just doing a job and getting paid lots and lots of money.">

I don't measure success by the accumulation of wealth. Women's bodies have been bartered and sold throughout history and the vast majority haven't gained any reward from it anyway. Pimps seem to gain the most. I am particularly conscious of any human silly enough to choose for themselves submission to that ethos - they might stack up some quids, but the damage to women and people as a whole is immeasurable.

I wish her wish her well, but can't respect her.

Houellebecq,

I suspect you are asking me what I think about the Lord's vengeance on those who do evil. My personal wish and desire is for all to know the goodness, forgiveness and love of God rather than His wrath. Thankfully He has made that possible through Christ who took my punishment and your punishment. I think that a God that does not punish the wicked would not be holy and good. It would be like a judge letting a murderer or padeophille off his crime without that person even acknowledging their wrong doing and crime against humanity. It would make a joke out of justice as many of our courts do today.

Pericles you spoil sport. I bet you're one of the kids who'd alert the teacher to the kick-me sign on their back.

pynchme,

See, now I'm thinkin': maybe it means you're the evil man. And I'm the righteous man. And Mr. 9mm here, he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could mean you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. And I'd like that. But that sh1t ain't the truth. The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd.

'. Women's bodies have been bartered and sold throughout history '

I cant get enough of that gear. Brings a smile to my face every time.

'the vast majority haven't gained any reward from it '
Hmmm, protection, security, food. It's an avenue the downtrodden men don't have access to.

'Pimps seem to gain the most.'
Yes, but in any co dependence there is always something in it for each party.

'but can't respect her.'
I have no doubt she doesn't need no seek your respect. If you're looking to pop stars to be the guardians of your philosophical idealism.

I see a pragmatic woman making her stake in the world. You go Ga ga girl!

runner,

'My personal wish and desire is for all to know the goodness, forgiveness and love of God rather than His wrath'

I'm sure you wouldn't want to pick and choose from God's messages though? I suppose when you're in the role of educating us about god, you have to balance out the negative propaganda from others.

Thank you again for your answers. You show up these moral relativists in your responses. Your god must be all that and more.

Sorry to bother you with one more question? I have never understood this Jesus 'who took my punishment and your punishment'. If he did, god has no punishment left to do, as Jesus has taken the cane for us in advance?