Irfan

Your claim that Zarqawi is responsible for 25,000 death's in Iraq is an unsupportable, oversimplication which hides the complexity of the conflict in Iraq.

Death squads motivated by personal ambition, Shiite religious interests, nationalistic feeling, and Baathism are also at work in Iraq.

The significance of Zarqawi's death may not alter the confusion, rate of killing or power balance in Iraq. But it has removed a "effective" leader who could have potentially directed AQ forces away from Iraq and onto Western territory.

Removing experienced, senior AQ commanders is important in avoiding another large scale bombing in a Western city.

While Zarqawi's removal and simultaneous raids may spell the elimination of much of AQ's current hierarchy in Iraq there is now a risk that it will be difficult for a time for Coalition intelligence forces to zero in on the replacement AQ network and hiearchy. The period where there is no "devil you know" might be a dangerous one.

The Shiite dominated police, army and security services (all with documented tendencies for death squad killing of Sunni's and fighting part-time as private armies/militia's) are a much greater threat to Iraqi stability than the AQ network in Iraq.

So to reiterate I think eliminating AQ in Iraq has more to do with reducing the AQ threat to the West, but will not impact greatly on Iraqis (whose lives are more frequently threatened by other groups).

Pete
http://spyingbadthings.blogspot.com

For the sake of the relatives of those who Zarkawi beheaded, they should have taken his, put it on a stake and displayed with with a sign 'God is not mocked, We reap what we sow'

Yes...I'm venting my spleen a bit there.

Irf, sadly, the Muslims would have grounds for cheering his death only due to his merciless attacks on what is usually described in Islamic journalistic circles as 'innocent civilians'. I doubt they will cheer his death due to his beheadings of what they believe to be 'guilty' civilians or military personell involved in the 'war against Islam' Primarily because beheading has support in the Quran and Sunna of the so called prophet Mohammed.

This is a point I will never ever until hell freezes over, neglect to point out.

The best that can be said of the average Muslim, is that they DON'T actually have a high degree of consciousness of these things, and they are selective of the good bits of Islam, while not keeping the 'ugly' bits high in their minds.

Sadly, once the 2nd generation of any faith, no matter how stupid or ugly or violent its beginnings, begin to adopt it as their cultural modus operandi, they don't think about how it all began.

Classic examples are Scientology (evil glactic sporn), Mormonism (we will all become Gods) and Islam. (die fighting and get 70+ Huries)

Instead of reacting with 'Armchair Nazi' I hope you will take your mind right back to the very beginnings, and see how mohammed's success was based on his clever management of marital relations, some useful coincidences, and some plain good luck in battle.

Its clear that he did have an element of his psyche which considered Allah, but he tended to 'manage' this also in terms of his own preferences and desires, hence attracting serious credibility problems with the whole.

I hope one day you will see Christ as Messiah, Son of God, God the Son and give your heart to Him. Don't worry I wont engage in any triumphalism :)

I find it a bit distasteful to gloat over anyones death, be it the death of a 'good' or a 'bad' person. Al-Zarqawi, I assume, would have a mother and father that like any other, would be greiving his death.

If Muslims, as Irfan says, will be dancing in the streets it speaks volumes about the inherent lack of compassion and value for any human life. Sad really.

The propaganda over this is disturburbing. The blanket bombing that killed this man caused considerable distruction to an entire area. Look at this video and see for yourself, the target, the bomb, and the second bomb. What do you notice? This is footage from the US bomber, and it is touted as a success.

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/3587

It is a blanket bomb that was not that accurate, and they mentioned other attempts. The big bomb was 500 pounds, apparently guided. The voice over said "now the whole neighourhood can rejoice". Look at the video. The whole neighbourhood would be dead after that. How many attempts did they make? This was just one? Dead people don't rejoice.

Watching this evidence sends chills up my spine, and I can't imagine how people substantiate such tactics. They knew where the criminal was. Why couldn't they fish him out like they do any other criminal? No! They had to destroy an entire village. Then in gloat in cynicism, say that they can rejoice? How can you believe these people?

As BD said - there is nothing new about violence and power hungry unethical leadership in the Islamic world. Shia and Sunni is but one such dog fight for power since day one after Mohammad.

The Muslim world as a whole, especially the Arabic speaking one - is in a state of anger.

As long as Muslim perceive the US as an invasion in Iraq, the existence of Israel as an occupation of their land; and Islam as the only true religion for us all; that will continue to create problems for the entire world until they wake up from their state of denial or ignorance, and face reality

Muslims think they have found the truth in islam – making a mockery of all previous revelations. They have placed their life and eternal beliefs in the concoction of half-stories their power-grabbing prophet recited to them. They sincerely believe that they are worshipping the same God as Christians and Jews – because that is what they have been told all this time.

Terrorism is THE central piece of the islamic jihad for world dominance as the Qur'an text clearly illustrate.

So please Irfan don't take us for dummies and insult our intelligence with your dodgy journalistic propaganda. As a consequence YOU are a threat to us all, including to those Muslims who want to live a peaceful life.

The death of one chef terrorist is not the end of jihad. Islam is an expansionist universal sect that knows no territorial boundaries. Their aim is to convert the whole world to their way of life - by peace or terror – because of their inflexibility to adapt otherwise anywhere.

This is a war the west must win or forever be subject to this ludicrous turmoil

"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: For Allah loves those who are just" (60:8)
In times of war and conflict, where enmity can obstruct an individual’s judgement to act morally, Islam commands that justice be upheld even towards one’s enemies.

"O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do" (5:8)

Coach says:- "Terrorism is THE central piece of the islamic jihad for world dominance as the Qur'an text clearly illustrate."

Grab your Qur'an and find us a quote please.