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Anti-Islam: is history repeating itself? : Comments

By Ali Kazak, published 27/2/2013

Some of the causes of anti-Semitism were: a condemnation of the Jewish religion by some; a view that Jewish particularisms were a barrier to assimilation; and that Jews were not capable of integrating into the society in which they lived.

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Oh what utter tosh.

A continent that had seen the publication inter alia of Chrysostom's "Eight Homilies Against the Jews"(1) and Marlin Luther's "On the Jews and Their Lies" did not need von Treitschke to teach it to hate Jews.

Moreover there are a number of issues the author (conveniently?) overlooks.

--The Nazis did not go after Jews because of religion but because of what they considered "race." They defined a Jews as someone who had a single Jewish grandparent. Many of the "Jews" in Hitler's concentration camps did not consider themselves Jewish. In fact often the grandparent had converted to Christianity before the parents were born.

--The most vile, Jew hatred currently comes from the mouths of Muslims: eg:

>>THE Jews of yesterday are the evil forefathers of the even more evil Jews of today: infidels, falsifiers of words, calf worshippers, prophet murderers, deniers of prophecies ... the scum of the human race, accursed by Allah, who turned them into apes and pigs ... These are the Jews - an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil and corruption ... The insult to and contempt of Arabs, Muslims ... reaches its height at the hands of the rats of the world, the violators of agreements, in whose minds abide treachery, destruction and deceit and in whose veins flow occupation and tyranny.>>

The man who uttered these words has been invited to address a Muslim "Peace conference" in Melbourne. I am not aware that Wilders has ever said anything that even approaches this.

--Wilders attacks Islam as a belief system or ideology. Islam, like any other belief system is a legitimate target for critique, analysis, satire and scorn. There is nothing "racist" about it.

I am tired of Muslims playing the race card. You're not a race. You're adherents of a whacky belief system which is as much subject to critique as any other.

As for the crusades gimme a break! It happened centuries ago.

For heavens sake stop whining and accept that in a secular democracy your belief system gets no more immunity than, say, Scientology.

(1)http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/chrysostom-jews6.asp

(2)http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 8:53:32 AM
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It has become more than an issue of intolerance for religion; it is Islam itself that is intolerant of everything non-Islam and threatens global peace. There are not "moderate" Muslims... there are conservative Muslims, and their true understanding of Islam is in accord with the actions of the "extremists". There are as few "liberal" Muslims as we would account there to be extremists, and only these liberal Muslims can be expected to represent a non-literal following of the Koran (a literal following is the most barbaric thing in existence). The greatest thing a Muslim can do is become a martyr, and when Muslims conquer a people they declare the conquered people "kafir" and rape their women. They don't consider it rape, because they consider non-Muslims to be non-human. They nearly even consider Muslim females to be non-human, with half the value of a man and no right to divorce or to refuse sexual advances. If you want to understand what is now prompting this "Islamophobia", which is actually brought about by a clearer understanding of the real beast that is Islam, you should read the book "Leaving Islam" by Ibn Warraq. It recounts the stories of ex-Muslims that lost their faith, though in Islam all "out" apostates are executed (murdered).

It is literally Muslims against the world, but the media of the USA tries desperately to paint Islam as a peaceful religion. It is far from peaceful, and its core is black. Until you understand what Islam truly represents, you will not understand that it is the very antitheses of human rights and dignity that the modern world strives to maintain and to increase. It is the enemy of the world, and even of its own people. I urge you to read at least the book "Leaving Islam" if nothing else... hear from those who would truly know, and not journalists or news sources that would not dare criticize Islam publicly. I'm an atheist and have my own problems with religion, but Islam is to the rest of the world what Nazism was to Jews.
Posted by Bodhi, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 9:22:31 AM
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The difference between the Islamic and Christian Peoples and their Nations ?

Firstly Christianity went through a Reformation in the 16th Century, Islamic people are still awaiting for theirs to occur.

Secondly the Western ,Christian , World had The Renaissance at the same time. The Islamic Nations , in the main , are still waiting for theirs to occur .

Also I am a member of the second largest Religious group in Australia. No , I am not a Muslim, I am an Atheist, I believe in Morality and Ethics, but as for any organized Religion... Pass
Posted by Aspley, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 9:26:55 AM
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ALL monotheistic religions are 'totalitarian ideologies' -- how could they possibly be otherwise? If you believe your God has laid down rules that are more important than mere bodily survival, then it's incumbent on you to make sure everyone around you either follows those rules or dies. It's either that or stop believing.

Islam is only attempting to do exactly what Catholicism attempted to do to Europe and South America six hundred years ago, what Puritanism attempted to do under Cromwell, and what various Protestant princes attempted to do in the provinces and states in which they had power. Any religious believer who takes their moral obligations seriously can do nothing else. That is why they have to be deconverted.

The slow retreat of religion in the West has not been due to any real change in the beliefs or goals of the majority of believers, but to their decline in numbers and increasing competition from alternative world-views. Islam must retreat in the same way -- in fact it IS retreating in most Western states including Australia -- or collapse back to the Middle Ages, possibly taking the rest of civilisation with it. I'm optimistic that now the West has shown the way towards secularism, Islam may die out in a couple of centuries or less; but meanwhile it can do a great deal of harm, particularly while it has a disproportionately large cohort of young, disaffected, sexually repressed and poorly educated males to call on for its dirty work.
Posted by Jon J, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 9:34:46 AM
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For the umpteenth forking time, Moslems do not constitute a "race" anymore than Christians or Buddhists--do Moslem propagandists really believe that, or is it an attempt to engage as allies the Multiculturalist lobby and the more gullible "anti-racists".
Islam, like all religions is (1) an ideology and (2) a totalitarian threat to liberal democracy. Therefore criticism of Islam is legitimate, sprinkling it with the pixie dust of "religion" doesn't make any difference to its sinister doctrines.

As to the Crusades, they were a minor counter-attack in the 1000 year war Moslems waged against European civilisation which a only stopped when the West was too powerful to attack.
If Islam had won the struggle we would still be a the developmental level of 12th century Egypt.

Moslems should ask themselves why they migrated to Australia or any Western nation-- wasn't it to enjoy the benefits or infidel civilisation?
We cannot allow Moslems to reproduce the political, economic and social conditions that prevail in Islamic societies.

We're waiting Mr Kazak, let's have a dialogue on Islam's place in progressive societies.
Posted by mac, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 10:36:01 AM
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All good points Jon J:

...But it is a view from a very high flying aeroplane. Meanwhile back on the ground, Australia's excessive promotion of immigration with its "everything is beautiful" through Multicultural propaganda overtones is a failure. This is an immigration policy run on strict lines of Capital benefit with scant regard for its impact on society.

...Australia needs to stop for a breath!
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 10:37:30 AM
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