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This deserves support - from all political parties
to make it work.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 4:33:53 AM
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Hi Foxy,

SM doesn't need to read the report, his mind was made up from the word go, his bigotry doesn't allow for any consideration of the facts. The claim that Gillard was trying to create a "3rd chamber of parliament" is totally untrue, it was never proposed, to peddle such a lie suits the bigoted and racists argument. The extreme haters are gearing up for a false scare campaign on the 'Voice', just as they did with the gay marriage debate, and before that with asylum seekers and so on.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 4:55:54 AM
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Dear Paul,

If you're right - then that's sad.
In any case - I'm sure that most Australians
will be willing to support this new initiative.
And what shadowminister thinks or does won't
make much difference. Like it didn't with same
sex marriage. Parliament will go on without him.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 5:15:35 AM
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"You need to read the report that was presented to parliament
by the co-design team. It explains things quite clearly."

Will the delegates to the Voice be elected?

If so how?

How often?

Can they be removed for any reason?

If so how and by whom?

Will they be paid? By whom? Who will decide the payment? Will there be higher payments for some? Who will appoint/elect those people?

Will dissenting voices in the Voice be given a Voice?

The longer the government and the aboriginal faction refuse to answer these type of questions with specifics as opposed to feel-good waffle, the more likely it is that they know the answers won't be acceptable.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 5:29:20 AM
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Hi Foxy,

The only way the bigots and haters can succeed with a "NO" vote is to created a false narrative. They need to convince enough voters that although they are in favour of the rights of Aboriginal people, never forget that, but unfortunately this proposal goes too far and therefore is unjustified. The Nationals for one will use that tactic to oppose; "I am actually in favour, but I want you to vote NO."

You do know when we voted "YES" for gay marriage, we were also voting "YES" to legalising beastiality, child pornography and paedophilia. That was the argument put forward by some of the more extreme. It wasn't in the question but that's what some wanted us to believe, others even claimed heterosexuals would be forced into homosexual relationships by law. When you haven't got a logical argument you just create a false scare campaign, it worked for the NAZI's against the Jews.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 5:45:47 AM
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Dear Paul,

The details supplied thus far in the co-design report is
the suggested model for the Voice to Parliament. Parliament
will of course work on the final model. In any case -
we'll be kept informed.

I remember only too well the mis-information that was going
around with same-sex marriage. The sky did not fall in.
Any new changes will always bring in the doomsayers. However
things have a way of having their own momentum - and they
do get done. Women did get the vote. Same sex marriage
passed. And with enough people standing by our Indigenous
people - the Voice will also come to fruition.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 6:48:52 AM
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