A few month months back Andrew Laming successfully sued the Nine Network and (y)our ABC journalist Louise Milligan for defamation.

We discussed it here.... http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9917#338335

Now, in an act of unexpected principle, the Walkley Foundation have decided to strip the offending 'journalists' of the awards for excellency in journalism that they'd previously been given for the story. Wonders will never cease.

Hilariously, the Nine boss has called the decision "a very concerning precedent". Taking awards off people who should never have received them is "concerning"?

I guess the concern is that, if this becomes the principle, journalists all over the country, particularly those who seek to target right-of-centre men, will be handing back all sorts of awards. Or more concerning still, awards for shoddy hit-jobs won't even be given. Who knows? They might even stop publishing these fact-free attempts to bring down men with unacceptable views. And we can't have that.

Yes. I was surprised by the 9 comment. The scribblers were wrong: the award they wrongly received was forfeited. The media certainly lives in a world different from the one the rest of us inhabit if that is "a very concerning precedent".

Let's hope it is indeed a precedent for future media unjustified trashing of someone's reputation

Laming was a waste of space, rightly given the "A" by Morrison, enough said.

"Laming was a waste of space, rightly given the "A" by Morrison, enough said".

What an ignorant, pointless comment. mhaze's post was about the appalling behaviour of the media, and the surprising punishment received by reporters responsible for concocting stories about another person. Laming was the victim, irrespective of what some attention-seeking lefty thinks of him. Everything is politics with Paul 1405. Had the same thing happened to one of his Green idols, he would have been gloating and cheering the removal of the awards from irresponsible scribblers.

Laming might rightly be regarded as not the sort of person we want in politics (who of them are?), but he is entitled to a fair go and justice; so is his family.

More to come? The Walkely Foundation has admitted that it should remove awards from reporters and media networks whose stories are later proven to be wrong.

It might be better if they waited longer in the first place. It is not like the Australia media is particularly noted for its accuracy or honesty.

Vindictiveness seems to be a Green trait.

Issy,

Any comment on your 'Gun Nut' candidate in Victoria who called for the assassination of Dan Andrews? The "red mist" gal!

ttbn, the Laming case came down to the us of the word "lewd", and nothing to do with his perverted behaviour!

Any chance of a reference as I can’t find any information on the allegation?

"the Laming case came down to the us of the word "lewd", and nothing to do with his perverted behaviour!
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 9:14:43 AM"

Only the Greenman and author of that knows what it means. Laming was accused of 'upskirting', which he denied, and apparently didn't do.

There is now talk of what's-her-name from the ABC getting the same treatment as the Niners for her job on the innocent Cardinal Pell.

Her name is Louise Milligan.

Given that the final court ruling was 7-0 in favour of not guilty she is now routinely referred to as Louise SevenNilAgain.

Vindictiveness seems to be a Green trait.
is mise,
Vindictiveness laced with incompetence & shaken, not stirred, with total lack of common sense !

How’re you going with thar reference, Goebbels ?

In answer to your question, as it doesn’t seem that we’ll get a reference going on past performance; anyone who encourages the murder of someone else should be prosecuted.

Issy and Indy,

"Vindictiveness seems to be a Green trait.
is mise,
Vindictiveness laced with incompetence & shaken, not stirred, with total lack of common sense !" Posted by Indyvidual

But, all that is better than wanting to see your political opponent assassinated. "red mist" Issy that would be common jargon in gunnie circles, Yes! naming names...Upper house MP Catherine Cumming.

Indy, is it "common sense" to have a policy of arming 5 year old's? As is the policy of the Shooters and Hooters Party in NSW. I think Issy said he was a founding member or some such rot!

They are coming to take him away ... ha ha ... they are coming to take him away.

But they’ve already taken his Firearms Licence, probably the root of his vindictiveness but I’d bet it’s inherent.

Issy,

My aversion to firearms probably stems from my Aboriginal ancestors, who also had an aversion to guns, especially when pointed at them, I don't know why, maybe because they found a pound of lead in their guts from Great Great Grandpa Issy's shotgun was a serious health hazard. What do you think.?

You must get sick of me posting the following kind of stuff;

"At least six people were killed and several others injured after a gunman opened fire in a Walmart in Virginia on Tuesday, police said." If Your mob gets control in Victoria, that will read; "in a K-Mart in Dndenong"

"The incident is one of more than 600 mass shootings reported so far this year by the Gun Violence Archive (America), which defines a mass shooting as four or more victims shot or killed."

If the "Gun Nut" Party was to win control of government in Australia, with their Yankee style gun laws, which you support, we could expect at least 5 mass shooting a week. Agree?

Goebbels,
More of your tedious lies, as usual.
Naming a name is not a reference, it’s an opinion.
If someone encouraged others to commit murder then those with information should report the matter to the police, I look forward to the Greens doing just that, it’s their civic duty.

Dear Issy,

Do a Google on "Catherine Cumming" and read what she had to say about "red mist" and "Dan Andrews". As I and others now understand it, the term "red mist" is a familiar expression used by you Gunnies to indicate the spray of blood from an assassins bullet. Am I wrong?

BTW; I have a 2 year old moko staying with us for a week, she requires less spoon feeding and nappy changing than you do. If you don't know how to search on Google, well I can't help you my dear old cobber.

When dealing with the OLO band of octogenarians I feel I'm at some kind of cyber kindergarten constantly spoon feeding and changing nappies ....octos .... spoon feeding .... nappies .... what am I saying, spoon feeding and nappy changing are probably everyday real life for most of these old fellas. God forgive me.

God forgive me.
Paul1405,
If there is a God he'll be wondering how you slipped through !

It’s not up to the recipient of a post to search for references it’s up to the poster to provide them, called common courtesy.

Salutations Issy,

As a good Forum buddy I though you would be all over the news, and able to do a little Google for yourself if necessary, was I mistaken? Any comment on the following, and how you seeing the "Gun Nut" (Australia) coalition of crackpot political parties, of which you said you were a founding member of one, or some such nonsense. When the crazies come to POWER can we expect American style gun laws here? I know there are many within who favour such laws for Australia. Have you written to Elephant Bob and Fat Bob in NSW demanding a chance to their Shooters and Hooters Party policy of loaded guns for all school children .....me thinks not!

http://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/23/politics/mass-shooting-gun-control-what-matters/index.html

http://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country
The above reference places the US sixty-seventh in World murder rates, suggest you broaden your outlook and stop picking on one of the safer countries.

The majority of your text was the usual untruthful garbage.

Dear mhaze,

You post intimates that Louise Milligan was stripped of a Walkley. That is not the case is it.

Dear Issy

The Americans must be over the Moon, considering their murder rate is lower than such lawless outposts as Uganda and South Sudan (your chart). They even nudge out Afghanistan AMAZING! However in Australia the "Gun Nuts" are not financed and supported by the NRA of Uganda, but rather they get their riding instructions direct from the NRA "Gun Nuts" of America. Unfortunate America has the highest homicide rate (your chart) of any developed western style nation, including Australia! BTW doing better than the US are such notables safe havens as Angola and Turkmenistan, more the pity America can't achieve a homicide rate better than Turkmenistan. There is poor little Australia with a murder rate five times safer (thanks to robust gun laws, which you seek to dismantle)) than the United States. Issy what are we doing wrong? I'm sure under your "Gun Nut" regime we could surly kill more innocent women and children than at least Botswana! What do you think? I do like your chart, I will refer to it regularly.

Hi Paul - great points!

"I do like your chart, I will refer to it regularly." Ouch - when reality smacks the gun-lovers in the face!

It's like Is Mise simply could not comprehend the graph he was reading? He should ask himself what the countries are even like where the murder rate is WORSE than the USA! Little details like "Are the Taliban in control - making it legal to practice honour-killings of wayward wives and children at home?" or "Are they a functional state in the first place!"

I mean, talk about lies and statistics - "America should be proud they're 67th in murder rate! Guns don't have anything to do with murder!" DERP!

Aussie comedian Jim Jefferies does a fantastic job demolishing the gun lobby.
EXTREME LANGUAGE WARNING - NOT SAFE FOR WORK! I mean - AT ALL!
Part 1 http://youtu.be/0rR9IaXH1M0
Part 2 http://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4

Funny, I always think of South rica as a developed nation.
The rest of your diatribe is the usual lies, must really hurt to lose your firearms licence, such vindictiveness is rarely seen.
The US murder rate is in decline whereas the number of guns in civilian hands is increasing,
a clear indication that more guns means less crime.

Not so fast. In analysing something, correlation does not equal causation. EG: I wore my hat then it rained, so wearing my hat makes it rain!

What policing changes impacted the crime rate?

New York is famous for their radical policing policy which drove down crime over the last few decades. It broke all the sociological expectations, and it WORKED! The expectation was that if you targeted a crime ridden place, the crime would just move elsewhere. What they found was if you cleaned up the scary area downtown - that criminal might get scared straight and the crime NEVER happens.

Also, what impact has Covid had with everyone forced to stay home or reluctant to go out much? What about all those criminals that want to steal your TV but you're home because it's illegal to go out, or you're scared to go out and self-isolating?

What changes to the economy have happened? Etc.

A temporary reduction in the murder rate does NOT prove anything about gun ownership. But consistently having 5 times more murders than Australia DOES!

Max,
The anti-gun brigade have always claimed that more guns means more crime, so why isn’t the opposite equally valid.
Australia is a good example, there are now more guns in civilian ownership than before the gun laws, particularly pistols yet our crime rates are falling. Ergo, more guns means less crime.
Could you get a pistol licence, or would you not be deemed trustworthy enough?

Is Mise - that might be true! But it's not RELEVANT. It's not the number of guns as such - as we can only really wield 1 at a time - despite what our computer games might say. Gun collectors might buy more guns because the GDP has grown or something. But there are less gun owners - less licenced gun owners. I thought that's what you were arguing INCREASED our safety - but in fact LESS people have guns (while owning more guns.)

Did you know this fact - as in were you lying to us just then?
Or did you NOT know this fact - in which case why should we listen to anything you say on this entire topic?

You're not really good at this are you?

And it's not a little. Gun ownership has declined by THREE QUARTERS since 1997 you lying (or ignorant) little so-and-so. I can't make up my mind what you are - but either way - you're done here.

"Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered firearms, an average of four for each licensed gun owner.

The proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent since 1997.

The proportion of Australian households with a firearm has fallen by 75 percent in recent decades.

Data indicates that people who already own guns have bought more rather than an increase in new gun owners."
http://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/04/28/new-gun-ownership-figures-revealed-25-years-on-from-port-arthur.html

Max,
There are vastly more licenced gun owners since 1997, or didn’t you know this?
There are more guns in civilian hands since 1997 so either more guns means more crime as the antis say or they are wrong..
In actual fact neither argument holds water as I’ve said in the past.
I am all in favour of the current gun laws, as I’ve said in the past, although reading the untruthful posts of the forum’s leading liar would have the uninformed, such as yourself, believing otherwise.
Some of the laws are downright stupid but we’ve learned to live with those.
You didn’t say if you would be trusted to own a pistol.
Pistol ownership has increased since 1997 as has the number of licences issued.
Perhaps you should read this and join the informed.
http:/www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2016/12/04/australian-gun-laws-may-seed-their-own-destruction.html

Try again:
http://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2016/12/04/australian-gun-laws-may-seed-their-own-destruction.html

Hi Max and Issy,

Issy, slings and arrows from you with; "reading the untruthful posts of the forum’s leading liar would have the uninformed, such as yourself, believing otherwise." Without name I know you are referring to me, as I've been your chief antagonist here for over ten years on matters of guns. I may colour my posts for entertainment purposes but I never lie. You will say; "I (Is Mise) am all in favour of the current gun laws" then post that you favour gun ownership for self protection, which is not permissible under Australian law as it stands. Therefore you would argue for a change in Australian gun laws to allow same. So how are you supporting existing gun laws?

I often ask you to comment on American mass shootings, you never do, rather you will attack me for picking on America, calling me "Goebbels". I will say your Shooters and Hooters Party favour arming five year old. That is extreme but NSW Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party policy reads;

5 Establish family and home protection as a genuine reason to own and use a firearm and continue to support measures increasing a person’s right to self-defence.

Such a policy as it reads imposes no age restrictions, no competency limits. Under such a policy I could say; "My five year old needs to own a gun as part of our "family and home protection" requirements." Okay you will say that is ridiculous, but I will say I don't trust your "gun nut" party of extremists. I'm not lying at all.

I recall my first wife's grandmother, telling me how as a young girl she lived under Nazi occupation in Austria, and with the anti Jewish laws, that no one believed the Nazi wouldn't really do anything to harm people, but they did on a mass scale. That's what extremist will do.

BTW, your party was comprehensively thrashed in yesterdays Victorian State Election, as were that bunch of so called "independents" you tried to sneak in under false pretences. On the other hand, the GREENS did extremely well.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

What on earth Is Mise?

What on earth?

You think this article supports your claim that guns help reduce crime?

http://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2016/12/04/australian-gun-laws-may-seed-their-own-destruction.html

It's an article DISGUSTED with gun ownership and analysing how an unintended consequence of John Howards anti-gun legislation might be that gun owners are driven into a gun worshipping frenzy by hanging out in gun-loving echo-chambers.

Try to read in Context. It's a thing.

Is Mise - I might have been too hard on you in previous posts. Genuine question - did you not finish High School?

Max,
Do you have a comprehension problem?
Read where I said that neither argument holds water, i.e. more guns doesn’t mean more crime and neither does it mean less crime.
Would you be trusted to own a pistol?

Did I finish high school?
I rather think that my level of English shews that I did, then I went on, as a mature age student, to get an Arts Degree and then, for something to occupy my time, an Engineering Degree.

Goebbels,
The link that you gave quoted South Africa as an example for the US to follow, despite their 10 times higher murder rate than the US, so why don’t you have a go at SA?

Hi Is Mise - I'm surprised that you claim you have an engineering degree - which I wish I had - but then sneer at peer-reviewed engineering papers showing how expensive tidal stream energy really is. Colour me sceptical, but I doubt with your attitude that you're practicing as an engineer.

Max,
You do indeed do have comprehension problems, where did I sneer at your figures?
I have never practiced as an engineer, as I said I only did it for something to keep me occupied.
I’m getting on in years, at yesterday’s pistol shoot I only managed to score higher than 75% of the younger competitors, they were all younger as I’m 88, about 90 men and women competing, five of whom have just got their pIstol licence.

Could you get one?
Or are you not to be trusted?

Hi Issy,

Why does the Shooters and Hooters NSW firearms policy state;

"We do not support “American style gun laws” in NSW."

Not Argentinian, not Angolan, not even South African style gun laws, but American, why is that? Then they go on to state a whole lot of policies which would in fact introduce American style gun laws into NSW! I see a contradiction there.

p/s I'm glad to hear you were able to shoot 75% of the "gun nuts", pity you missed the other 25%. Slipping.

p/p/s 30 years an Engineer, mechanical, structural and production.

p/p/p/s Get it right that's Gobbles with a "G", I'm not related to your Siamese twin Joseph Goebbels, I come from a long line of Gobblers

from a long line of Gobblers
Paul1405,
Yes, of oxygen !

"Could you get one?
Or are you not to be trusted?"

You're sick - gun ownership is NOT a test of moral fibre. Try getting a working with children check passed to do volunteer work teaching kids or running kid's camps and that sort of thing. What is it with guns?

I knew you were not a practising engineer, but thank you for your honesty.

Despite your denial here - you really DID just dismiss the papers I quoted that demonstrated how much more expensive tidal stream turbines were than normal wind and solar and PHES.

Goebbels,
You say that you don’t lie, that’s a lie for starters.
Why do we refer to US gun laws, simply because the anti-gun crowd do so; how can one reply to their rhetoric without mentioning the US.

Diid you not read your own link?

You seem to have an unhealthy fixation on guns, why else do you keep introducing the subject, must be your resentment at having your licence cancelled.

Hi Max,

Issy has insinuated previously, out of the blue, that he had his "mates" do a gun licence check on me (if so totally illegal under privacy laws but who cares) and somehow I failed to obtain said licence due to character, humm not even worth denying. As we know down at the REST IN PEACE (RIP for short) Retirement Home for Decreped Old Farts, where Issy is on a short term stay, with the motto "No Chicks Allowed", Chief Nurse Iron Balls does not allow the inmates certain things;

1. Playing with matches.
2. Boiling the kettle.
3. Turning on the stove.
4. Turning on electric heaters.
4. Playing unsupervised.
5. AND definitely no guns, not even a water pistol.

Unfortunately Issy must be making up his 75% score!

Hi Issy,

Why dose your Shooters and Hooters Party claim they don't intend to bring in American style gun laws, and not Algerian style gun laws, which would be better than America, do they have a credibility problem?

Max,
Gun ownership is a test of the State’s trust, particularly in regard to pistols.
Any comment on the fact that there are now more people licenced to use and own pistols than before the introduction of the current gun laws?

Can you get a pistol licence?

Goebbels,
As I told you it was a Labor MP’s staffer who told me.
Part of her job was to monitor sites such as OLO and as a keen competition shooter she was intrigued by your obvious vindictiveness.
So from the clues that you dropped she soon identified you.
Much later she moved to France and is active on a French shooting site which I also visit, I gave myself away by translating ‘Is Mise’ into French as a user name. ‘Grand Je Suis’
as she is Irish and speaks the language she immediately spotted me, sent me a PM and the rest is history.
Also we tend, apparently, to write in the same style in different languages.

The only language you write in Issy is the Cock and Bull language, you just don't have the flair for comedy, although your opinions on guns are a joke! Actually the Three Stooges of the forum, not Moe, Larry and Curly, but rather Hassy, Indy and Issy are a real scream for me.

Hassy, Indy and Issy went to the pub and got blind drunk. The next day back at at their favourite watering hole, they talked about how drunk they were the night before. Hassy said, "I was so drunk last night, I went home and had to make out with the bed side lamp, my wife wouldn't let me near her." Indy said, "That's nothing, I was so drunk last night, I went home and had to to have it off with the fridge, my wife wouldn't let me near her either." Issy said, "I went home and got my rock off as normal, I blew Chunks, like the wife insists even when I'm sober." Hassy and Indy replied, That's amazing considering how drunk you were, by the way is Chunks your wife?" Nah, said Issy, Chunks is me pet dog!"

Goebbels,
That last post of your’s shews real desperation, seems she really nailed you.

The SFF party does not seek to bring in US gun laws, Australians already have the legal right to use a firearm in self defence, what they don’t have is the right to have it ready for defence current gun laws place the victim at the mercy of the criminal.
What the SFF seek is a return to the Australian law that served us well before the current contradictory law was introduced.

Of course fair play dosen’t sit well with the Greens,(from their NSW web site)
“7. That personal protection should never be regarded as a genuine reason for owning, possessing or using a firearm.”
Such absolute stupidity is almost unbelieveable.

"current gun laws place the victim at the mercy of the criminal."

Current gun laws help there be less gun-victims in the first place.

As in...

FIVE TIMES LESS!

Max,
Reference please.

What is news?
Is it just information about something which happens?
Or is it more than that?

Better to think of it as something the population at large needs to know?
Knowledge which will allow better control of life?
To this end, news must have a basis of truth as well.
Fiction just won't cut it where the survival of our species is concerned.

When we assess something relevant to life, we should always go back to basics.
Strip away the outer layers, and examine what 'the something' is made of.
Examine the principles which support the material we are trying to understand.
Only then will we be able to assess its real importance.

False or misleading statements can waste time and energy in a fruitless pursuit of relevance?
Other statements might unfairly accuse a person of contributing less than they should to society?
In fact, someone might be accused of 'rather more take than give'!
For the latter, there are remedies in law. (not to be confused with father's in law? ^.^)

But always come back to basics.
Just what is being talked about?
Have that clear understanding.
Without it, one will struggle to reach meaningful conclusions.

USA 12.2 per 100,000.
Australia 0.88.

Oops - I forgot it's actually 13 times more likely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Max,
What has that got to do with Australian law?

Dearest Issy,

"The SFF party does not seek to bring in US gun laws, Australians already have the legal right to use a firearm in self defence"

That's true in certain exceptional circumstances one could rightly use a firearm in self defence, but one could also be charged with murder if one uses a gun carelessly, as did leading gunnie and SSAA member Ian Turnbull when he murdered NSW Environmental Officer Glen Turner. What is the reality, unlike in many US states where self defence or no reason at all is required, one cannot use the requirement of SELF DEFENCE as a reason for obtaining a gun licence in Australia. Yet, your Shooters and Hooter NSW Party do just that;

In the preamble on gun policy; "The Shooters Fishers and Farmers Party asserts the right of law-abiding citizens to own and use firearms." Rather all encompassing would you not say. That's around 97% of the population, a lot of guns!

"5. Establish family and home protection as a genuine reason to own and use a firearm and continue to support measures increasing a person’s right to self-defence." There you go American style gun law, and they say; "We do not support “American style gun laws” in NSW.". Lying rubbish!

You have previously put up the scenario, where some poor chap sitting in his 42nd floor office in Sydney is suddenly and unexpected attacked by a rampaging 'Mallee Bull' that bursts out of the broom closet at him. According to you if he had his trusty, and very much loaded, AK-47 beside his desk he could act in SELF DEFENCE no problem! I seen that picture I think it starred your much loved folk hero Charlton Heston. The poor bastard got killed when a rampaging 'Mallee Bull' ran him over on Hollywood Boulvard in 2008. If only poor Charlton had been packing his trust 'bazooka' that fateful day! He might be still with us today still spruiking your kind of utter rubbish. Agree?

I still love ya Issy. BTW I'll have you know the Gobbles clan have shaped world history. Great Grandpa Thaddeus Gobbles had the ice block concession on the RMS Titanic in 1912! Us Goobles clan would be very rich today if Grandpa's ice block making machine hadn't malfunctioned like it did, creating that humongous ice block in front of the ship on its maiden voyage! Then there was Great Uncle Marmaduke Gobbles, who was responsible for pumping hydrogen into the Hindenburg! Uncle said there was big money for us Gobbles in hydrogen. In May 1937 uncle declared the hydrogen market was about to explode for us Gobbles. If only uncle Marmaduke hadn't been a chain smoker, the poor sod never did have a fag out of his mouth.

Goebbels,
Not US style gun law but the law that pertained in Australia before Howard instigated the disarming of the victims in favour of the criminals, Howard did nothing to disarm criminals just as the Greens support them as well.

Is Mise.

Everything! It gives us all the data we need to know that more guns kills more of your population.

I'm Ordo-Liberal - centre left - a Chardonnay Socialist.

Yet even I will say John Howard was a LEGEND for arranging the gun buy back and making this country safer to live in.

Max,
The crime rate was going down before Pt. Arthur and it continued its downward path/ /afterwards, the gun laws did nothing to stop crime, firearm or otherwise.
What the gun laws did do was make firearm owners more politically aware, hence the SFF Party and the proliferation of gun clubs, particularly pistol clubs.
All supported financially by the Governments.
Our local range was an abandoned wilderness, when it was decided to use it again we had trouble finding the target butts.
Today it is landscaped, the firing point has immovable concrete benches to shoot from, a rere and end walls to stop wind and a roof with guttering to send rainwater into the 10,000 gallon modern fibreglass tank that supplies the shower and two toilets.
There is also mains electric power.
The pistol range has ten electrically powered turning target frames at 25 metres and ditto at 50 metres.
There is a standard toilet and a seperate toilet for disabled shooters with shower, dressing table and mirror.
There are, of course, the necessary access ramps etc.
Target shooting is one of the rew sports where disabled people can compete on equal terms.

None of this would have been possible without the gun laws and whilst they could be improved we have come to live with them, especially the Government grants.

I should add that the pistol range also has a walled, covered firing point and a large concrete underground water storage.
And we are currently building another 50 metre range to house the extra pistol clubs that use the range, currently the ranges are booked solid every weekend of the year.

Now now Issy, some home truths,

"proliferation of gun clubs" just like the SSAA shooting gallery at St Mary's Sydney, which trained and then armed the mentally deranged John Edwards so he could murder his two children Jack and Jennifer with a SSAA supplied gun, the children's mother committed suicide six months later. Although found legally not guilty, no member of the SSAA has ever take moral responsibility or apologised for the part they played in the children's murders.

Issy didn't you once say all that at your shooting gallery was paid for by the taxpayer as your political gangsters hold the NSW State government to ransom with their vote in the LC.

Must congratulate your Shooters and Hooters Party in Victoria, they managed 0.1% of the popular vote, no wonder they ran "sham independent" candidates. For every one vote your party received the GREENS received 120 votes. Cop that!

Issy,

Your shooting gallery sounds like the Branch Davidians compound in Waco Texas. I assume you could hold off an attack by law enforcement for days if not weeks. By any chance is the name of your grand poo-bah David Koresh? What is your mob really preparing for? Is it also a doomsday cult?

All the idiots that pounced on the story of AL now have egg on their faces.

The village idiot can't admit that he was wrong and keeps on digging his hole deeper into the sewer.

Goebbels,
Were you born a liar or did you learn later in life?

Is Mise,
just nope.
I'm not bothering any more.

The worldwide statistics are overwhelming evidence - and your attempts to explain them away are just a magician's hand-waving. But we've all seen behind the curtain - and rather than a kindly old man it's 30,000 gun murders per year. (On average.)

OK, Max, stay ignorant.

I don't know about ignorant - but bored? Yeah. (Yawns).
Nothing to see here.
Goodbye

Hard to show a blind man the truth Is Mise. Bit hard to tell them either when they won't take their ear plugs out either.

Ain’t that the truth😟

That’s not a swear word but an Emoticon that wont post on OLO,

Hi Max,

Unfortunately I have to agree with you Max, boring certainly. Looks as though Chief Nurse Iron Balls has given out too much 'Kool-Aid', and a little bit early as well today down at the Rest. In. Peace. (R.I.P) Retirement Home for Old Fellas. Even old Hassy is no longer in his normal catatonic state and hasbeen seen swinging from the Chandeliers.

Who needs guns when you can just pick up a rock?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11484217/Perth-Pregnant-woman-cardiac-arrest-hit-head-rock-allegedly-thrown-teen.html

Seriously though whilst I do think many farmers have a genuine need for them, and I worry that too many seem to be in the hands of adolescents lately, I am kind of glad generally that there are less guns on the streets compared to what there would be otherwise.
A lot of kids these days are completely out of control, and they know how to play the system and get off too easily.

‘- - - just like the SSAA shooting gallery at St Mary's Sydney, which trained and then armed the mentally deranged John Edwards so he could murder his two children - - -“

That is not only a lie but slander as well, having your Firearm Licence cancelled certainly brought out your vindictive side.
Your obsession with guns is justifiably suspect and your post above so loathsome that I decline to enter any correspondence with you in future.

Dearest Issy, you are a sensitive soul. sometimes rather petulant as well, that's how people can be. I will continue to communicate with you in salutary terms as I have done so for many a year on the Forum. If you choose to be taciturn with me, then that's what it is.

The truth is sometimes uncomfortable, what I have written was well documented at the time. John Edwards did attend the SSAA owned and operated St Mary's Indoor Shooting Centre, where he received training in the use of hand guns. Edwards after obtaining a gun licence was able to purchase a hand gun and ammunition through the Centre. Subsequently Edwards used that pistol to murder his two children Jack and Jennifer Edwards. At not time have I said any SSAA member was knowingly complicit in the children's murders, in fact they were found to be legally non-complicit. What I assert is these people were morally complicit, but as far as I am aware have never apologised for what took place, never a word of public sorrow from them, or any statement of regret from the SSAA. That's all I have said.

BTW, if you publish a false statement its LIBEL....SLANDER is to speak falsely about another. Get it right.

Last post on the subject,
“ then armed the mentally deranged John Edwards so he could murder his two children - - -“
Which means that, in your perverted opinion, that the SSAA members knew that he intended murder.
Quite frankly I find you to be a despicable liar.

Dear Issy,

You are reading me wrong, when I say the St Mary's mob, "trained and them armed (Edwards)", that's not a disputed fact. Then to say Edwards was "mentally deranged", his subsequent actions show that to be self evident. The training and arming enabled Edwards to carry out his atrocious crime. I'm not saying that any of your mob knowingly or purposely acted to facilitate Edwards crime, but inadvertently they did facilitate his crime. I believe they made a mistake of judgement after Edwards had been A holed by several other gun clubs, obviously with the same purpose in mind. What I believe the SSAA should have done afterwards is put out a statement of regret, those involved were legally in the right, but morally in the wrong, in my opinion. You see it differently.

BTW, you have no problem attacking the GREENS with accusations that our gun policy is in some way purposely designed to benefit criminals, not true. You have claimed that on many occasions, have you not? Do I get on my high horse and do a dummy spit at you, NO!

Goebbels,
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I see that Brittany Higgins' case and all charges have been dropped against Bruce Lehmann. Bruce must be grateful that his lawyers so effectively exposed her lies and that he is now cleared.

Shonky,

Are you accusing a Liberal Party member of lying? Your membership of the Melbourne Club is cancelled, effective immediately.

p/s I'll have you know the Liberal Party was founded on a lie by that arch Nazi himself 'Pig Iron' Bob!

Shadowminister,

There are at least four female Liberal staffers and
volunteers who disagree with you. And who knows how
many more who are too frightened to come forward.

Hi Foxy,

"The culture in Parliament House has to change!" I believe the LIBERAL PARTY PRAYER ROOM in Parliament House has closed, no more rent boys, call girls, or dial-a-pizza to release the hang-up's of "overworked" Coalition members during those long sitting days and nights.

Foxy,

I don't care who disagrees with me the facts matter.

The fact is that the police didn't believe that there was sufficient evidence for a conviction and the trial proceeded due to political pressure.

The simple truth is that there was not a single jot of physical evidence that sex occurred and there were no witnesses to the event. There is no way BL could have been convicted.

That Brittany's story continually changed didn't help her case either.

The juror's misbehaviour saved the ACT DPP from a massive loss.

BL is now in a position to sue the ACT.

Village idiot,

Considering that the party with 2 convicted kiddie fiddlers is the greens you are in no position to throw stones.

shadowminister,

Ms Higgins was found by security guards to be naked
in the room -and very upset. So I beg to differ with your take
on this. Why did Lehrmann bring her to Parliament House so
late at night? It's all a bit suss.

Shonky,

Considering you have no legal expertise what so ever, having made the outrageous claim you are a legal eagle and a man of letters, was a scream. Your not a Rumpole of the Forum, more like a half wit forum Dennis Denuto. I still recall your legal judgements in the 'Beat Up' Case, "an arrest is imminent" and in the 'Cry Baby' Porter fiasco "Porter has nothing to worry about, millions in compensation will be coming his way." Wrong on both counts!

Foxy,

You seem to misunderstand the definition of evidence.

That BH was not wearing her dress covered with her puke is not evidence that intercourse occurred or that she was raped. That she refused to go to the police for a forensic test ensured that there would be no physical evidence.

Reports are now emerging that the police had doubts about the validity of BH's claims and did not recommend prosecution and said that the DPP proceeded for political reasons, which means that the ACT DPP is likely to be sued by BL.

Pauliar,

Once again you have shown yourself to be a LIAR and a FRAUD.

I never said anything that you claimed.

As a green are you allowed within 50 meters of a junior school?

Shonky,

I have posted several times your prognostications on matters Bolt and Porter, they show you to be totally off the planet as to the outcomes of those matters. You are considered to be a legal dunce when it comes to the law, so stop pontificating, you only embarrass yourself.

Pauliar,

Yes, you have frequently lied through your teeth on these issues.

Repeating your lies does not make them true.

For once try telling the truth so that I won't need to call you out as a liar and a fraud and a disgusting gangreen troll.