Thanks Paul. I think the advantage of nuclear is the long service life of the power plants. I remember claims of very cheap power by the nuclear industry in its early days that turned out to be untrue, which makes me suspicious of the current hype with renewables. Continuous supply is more costly than piecemeal with renewables. I am still an optimist, but I have seen plenty of hype and BS over the years to curb my enthusiasm for "breakthroughs".

NOT so fast Fester!

The good news is solar can work for 50 years. This 25 year thing is a myth - it's only down to 90% effectiveness. If big utilities have the room in the outback or floating on hydro, why wouldn't they get another decade or so out of it?

But your nuclear "too cheap to metre" analogy breaks down.

It's like nuclear got deployed and before people realised it the utilities were removing the metre box!

It's here. Today. The CURRENT established, tested, repeated, demonstrable price of solar panels. Now.

This is ALREADY the cheapest form of electricity the human race has EVER enjoyed.

This is AFTER they've run a full LCOE test - which counts the low capacity factor. It's the cheapest form of energy on a kwh basis to the grid.

Now, I'm fully aware - that's to the grid.

Not the grid to the customer. The grid must charge for transmission wires, extra builds of solar, and PHES. But how to measure what the sun and weather DO? How much wind and solar we'd need?

That's where the Blakers team at the ANU, CSIRO, and others like Tony Seba have all modelled this.

They've fed 40 years of weather data into the model, looked for the WORST DUNKELFLAUTE (Dark Lull), and measured how much wind and solar overbuild would lower PHES costs.

These are the prices from 2017 - and solar so much cheaper now these are overblown!

"LCOE from a 100% renewable Australian electricity system is US$70/MWh (2017 prices).” http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360544217309568

How is this for the latest trend Max.

Swiss look to ban use of electric cars over the winter to save energy

Yay Hasbeen - so by your silence you automatically grant that solar IS the cheapest form of power ever, that renewables penetration HAS grown enormously, and the current trends indicate it will get cheaper still? That's great progress for you Hasbeen!

Because I'm not playing that game where "Denier's don't debate, they rotate." If you have something to say about the responses I took time to submit, then do so. If you're learned something, say so. But don't be a cliché and just move on to your next silly objection!

So the Swiss ban on EV's charging during winter? Boy - that's because there's a wholesale rejection of EV's, right? Because something went wrong with the technology, right? No? You mean this is a once-in-a-lifetime energy crisis because of an unforeseen WAR WITH RUSSIA?

Oh. I see. Not really a problem with EV's after all. Actually, instead of illustrating something wrong with this tech - weaning off Russian gas has turned renewables + electrifying transport into a WAR CRY! Into a patriotic duty! Into national security!

"If achieved, the countries' latest plans would see 63% of EU electricity produced from renewables by 2030, up from 55% under their 2019 policies, the researchers said.

That implies a drop in EU fossil fuel-based power generation to 595 terawatt hours in 2030, down from 1,069 TWh in 2021.

"Europe is not coming back to coal or to gas to ensure security, it's the actually the opposite. Countries are accelerating renewables," Ember senior analyst Pawel Czyzak said.

http://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/ukraine-war-pandemic-set-speed-europes-green-energy-transition-report-finds-2022-06-01/

Hey Max Green,
Do you ever wonder what the non-climate cult people watch?
Why are you here if you don't want to ever acknowledge the other side of arguments?

It's you people that are going to war against us, not the other way around, but your message is packed around an idea 'sustainability / environmentalism' and fools buy into it.

You keep pushing your crap down peoples throats and wont listen to anything else.
The climate cultists are so single minded in their beliefs that they have no concept whatsoever of the other side of things.

Here you are saying kids of the future wont like chocolate ice cream.
Your delusions have no boundaries.
- You people aren't saving the world, your destroying it.

And yes I am mad, because for a minute there I almost partly bought into your feelgood crap.
I told you I'm not against doing thing that are better for the environment, but I will never support cutting our noses off to spite our faces.
If you cant accept that, it's because your a climate extremist.
- At least I try to be practical.

Watch
http://youtu.be/bFzy7EEURJQ

And don't even get me started on Ukraine, Putin didn't start that war.
It's people like you (and others here as well that keep it going.)
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=22255&page=0#388216

[Cont.]
No matter how much the 'deniers' actually try to accommodate the cultists beliefs, it's never enough.
You people and others like you will always keeps shifting the goalposts.
Give 'em an inch and they want a mile.

It's like allowing the mormons an opportinity to stick their shoe in your door, when they cling to the belief that they are the ones saving you.
Believe whatever you want, I don't care but stop trying to drag the rest of us down with you.

It's better to not entertain any of the climate cultists beliefs anyway.
I tried to be reasonable in the things I said, but it's proven to be a fools errand.
I'm not even going to give that inch with people like you anymore.

Sorry if you're offended.
You seemed capable of being reasonable some of the time.
- But I just cant buy into the climate cultists religion sorry
I have to stand up for what I believe in and oppose it.