ARMCHAIR:
"I don't want kids in the future saying "what did actual real butter taste like, and never have a chance to enjoy ice-cream."

That's a values claim. Your personal values. How arrogant of you to assume you know what future generations will want?

"That would be a horrible world, and we'll I'd be prepared to abuse anyone that says they can't have it, sorry."
That's a values claim. Your personal values. How arrogant of you to assume you know what future generations will want?

I'm seeing every indication that more and more kids are becoming vegan or vegetarian. Our grandchildren may well look at us and shudder at what we eat today. And the irony? Their butter may taste a whole lot BETTER! Just because you can't imagine it doesn't mean it isn't real. You can't imagine 10 calories of fossil energy to make 1 calorie of food energy - but it's real!

It’s already happening in a company called Joywell making sweet proteins that taste great but don’t cause an insulin reaction. http://techcrunch.com/2022/05/27/joywell-foods-raises-25m-to-bring-sweet-proteins-to-market/ How good will it be for diabetics to enjoy protein ice-cream and chocolate again? That’s what they’re working on. They’ve already got soft-drinks!

How good will it be when "drought" can no longer cause famine! When a grasshopper plague or hail damage or La Nina rains can no longer ruin our harvest - because MOST of it is brewed? Now THAT'S climate-change proof food! Another solution to the most dangerous climate catatasrophe for us humans - food shortages!

HI ALL - BACK TO THE OPENING POST

Anyone proud of our uniquely Australian thing of having the longest trucks in the world? Our infamous Road Trains on movies like Crocodile Dundee - just seem to keep going forever. They're known to carry 200 tons!

Janus are hoping to convert Aussie road trains to this battery swap trick. Anywhere outback with sunshine and a some spare space (which is everywhere - right?) can whack down a warehouse and solar and charge these batteries.

200 ton Electric Road Trains. I can't wait to see that! http://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/entrepreneur-big-trucks-big-savings-big-electric-plans-20220811-p5b91o.html

Hi Paul1405,
It wasn't Hungry Jacks Vicky Pt was it?
They can be pretty average down there, but I've never seen anything like that, even I would've been a bit shocked.
They probably picked up the buns from off the floor and put them back into the trays for the next customers.

"I'd tell em, do that again and you'll be out on your arse!"

- Agreed, but the thing is we'd probably end up being the ones getting told off ourselves for bullying the little snowflakes.
All those buns should've been binned, and any staff member willfully throwing food around should at least cop an official warning.

Hey Max Green,
"That's a values claim. Your personal values. How arrogant of you to assume you know what future generations will want?"

C'mon man, seriously?
This is what I mean about being practical.
No offense, but you seem to be making an assumption yourself that kids won't like this food, (which seems unrealistic) and this is probably more about your values, not anyone elses.
- Assuming kids of the future won't like chocolate ice-cream is a pretty big statement.

FYI, there's a difference between forcing the food I mentioned down kids throats, and depriving them of ever having a chance to enjoy it.

My girlfriends 7 year old, (soon to be 8) has strange food preferences at times.
Offer her something that you think kids would find irresistible, and she often says no.
Offer her some olives and she will eat the whole damn jar.

She seems to go through phases, one week she'll only want to eat the $8.50 trays of woolies meat patties, the next week she will only want to eat little popcorn chicken things, and sometimes she just wants ice cream.

eg. Last week it loves ham, this week it doesn't like ham anymore and wants 'devon' or 'fritz'.

Mum tries to make her eat more healthier things but she struggles at times to find things she likes, and getting her to try new things can be a challenge,
If she doesn't want to eat it, well Mum doesn't force her.

Mum's got a few allergies, lactose etc mostly she only makes meals for her daughter and makes things for herself separately.
- Which can be frustrating when you cook a whole meal for your daughter and she doesn't want to eat any of it, and you're allergic to some of the ingredients yourself.

As for electric road trains, well don't get too far ahead of yourself.
Time will tell if these things can become a reality, but we're not there yet.

This is great!

What about hydrogen airlines!?

Hydrogen takes up more cargo or passenger space. That sounds like a real problem when that's cutting into an airlines already very tight profits. But here's the thing. Fuel cells require vastly less servicing than combustion engines! So overall the CASM (Cost for Available Seat Mile) goes down! That means, although there's less seats - the savings on the cost per seat is actually so low the airline might make MORE MONEY per passenger.

Less passengers: but more profit per passenger!
https://youtu.be/f-4if26F_RA

A little fact to chew on, regarding the total inability of wind & solar to power anything much.

Last month, Jeff Currie, Goldman Sachs’ Head of Commodities Research, provided testimony to this, stating in an interview: “At the end of last year, overall fossil fuels represented 81% of energy consumption. 10 years ago, they were at 82%…$3.8 trillion of investment in renewables moved fossil fuels from 82% to 81% of the overall energy consumption.” It is apparent that renewable energy is not going anywhere fast.

To illustrate the lack of ability of battery power to do much, & illustrate coal’s energy density, a Tesla battery that weighs over 500kg and takes 25-50 tons of minerals to be mined, processed, and transported, can store the same energy as a mere 30kg of coal. No wonder the Chinese use coal power to make batteries & windmills.