The Chinese have behaved barbarically by liquidating many millions for real or spurious political reasons and in systematic forced abortions. It is not clear how far Chinese territorial ambitions extend or to what extent Beijing will come to regard itself as a regional hegemon in South-East Asia.

Worryingly for Australia - a Western nation within China's expanding sphere of influence - the presence of a large ethnic Chinese minority in this country might be perceived by Beijing as a reason to interfere in Australian domestic affairs. As a number of defectors have claimed, China is using a vast network of Chinese-Australian spies in an attempt to turn Australia into a "political colony".

Link:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2005/06/15/1392425.htm

Australia's three surviving former Labor Prime Ministers - Whitlam, Hawke & Keating - resembed the three wise monkeys during their recent APEC meeting with Chinese President Hu Jintao. Unsurprising considering Labor's post-war history of appeasing Asian dictatorships.

Much has been said about Kevin Rudd's Mandarin abilities. Will Mr. Rudd use his language skills to convey Australia's apprehension about China's appalling human rights record and regional muscle flexing? Should Australians be concerned about sycophantic panda hugging from a Rudd-Labor Government?

Click on kings of the east and we see a picture of China and a vast asian confederacy army (Revelation 9:16 and 16:12) moving westwards across asia towards Israel (incl. over Euphrates River) and on to Armageddon on the plain of Megiddo just north of Jerusalem (Bonaparte reckoned the greatest battlefield he had ever seen). Click on your memory regarding Chen Yonglins 1,000 Chinese government spies on Australian soil. What be they doing here? Click on the fact that China has on past occasions refered to Australia as New South China. Click on the knowledge that there are visions and prophecies amongst the pentecostal christians of Australia (the Holy Spirit gifts people) about an asian invader and enemy soldiers here in the bibles endtimes (Gods allowance because of the sins of the people) and more than half of Australia lost to a future communist style government. This then is China... at least it is to me, student of prophecies. Tiananmen Square, killing Falum Gong for body parts, hunting born again christians, plotting the fall of the US and the invasion of OZ.

Well just as well the Chinese (mostly) aren't Muslims, eh?

With the Yellow Peril combined with Islamophobia, you xenophobes and racists would never sleep again.

Dresdener thank You for this thread.

Morgan
This thread is about China and Rudd thinkng he can even begin to handle these tricky little people. You have no idea how much they would love Rudd to be the PM.
They are laughing. They think Rudd is a huge joke that could turn out to be a rather handy one should the Australian public be stupid enough to put him there.
They want to take even more raw materials from our country to create jobs. Ok we can buy cheap stuff now from China. Wait a few years. China will own us and China will sit back watch us fight it out with the Extreme Muslims then say Thanks mate!
A clever race No match for Rudd who hasnt even run a council and has NO POLICE AND NO DRS IN LABOUR STATES. What more proof do you want.
Racism works both ways and I for one are sick of you attacking everyone if they dare express a thought towards their own country`s protecton.
You are racist against Australians speaking out about the really real fear of the West being attacked.- Which it already! has been. Remember the world trade.
Now getting back to China it is simply the most powerful counrty in the world who couldnt care less about Aussies or fredom of speech especially as they dont have it.
Oh but wait. I forgot little Kevin is going to change all that. Give me a break.

"This thread is about China and Rudd thinking he can even begin to handle these "tricky little people"(!!). You have no idea how much they would love Rudd to be the PM.
They are laughing. They think Rudd is a huge joke that could turn out to be a rather handy one should the Australian public be stupid enough to put him there." (Quote:TarynW)

So,...mind reading is your speciality TW? You know what 'they' are thinking?

Strewth! You people drive a racist wedge where ever and whenever you see an opportunity to do so. You cannot resist.

You even managed to tie in the 'extreme Muslims' with China's attitude TW! Don't waste any opportunity eh?

So many to attack; so little time.....

TarynW: "...these tricky little people"

Yes, I'm certainly the racist around here!

It must get really boring hiding under your bed all the time, with only a computer to play with.

red china? haven't been following the news, have you.

Oh, so China isn't a one-party state governed by the Communist Party of China? You know, mass murdering Mao's old party?

As for CJ Morgan's snide comments, he seems to have completely lost the plot on this one. These are serious matters for Australia's national security and should not be ignored at the behest of political correctness. CJ Morgan's clamorous accusations of "racists under the bed" are completely preposterous, but typical of the irrational nonsense spewed forth by an intellectual rustbucket.

It's interesting that CJ Morgan should mention Muslims and the Chinese. After all, Chinese oppression of Muslims in East Turkestan is quite well documented. But then again, China's oppression of religious freedoms in general is common knowledge in the West. Even in the face of egregious assaults on one of CJ's most cherished causes - minority rights - he turns squeamishly away when confronted with the uncivilised behaviour of the Chinese. Much easier to point the finger at the West and accuse his fellow countrymen of being intolerant.

Very tricky and unforgiving people the Chinese, but also very business savvey.

Doubt they are looking for war, ruins status and prosperity the cornerstones of thier culture. Why fight for it when you can buy it?

Thier population will go into reverse within 40 years, freeing up thier own vast land holdings.

Then again Chinese think in terms of centuries not decades the way we do, wonder what Chinese troops would do to our socialist scumbags at APEC meetings etc.
HMM thinking of CJ going under the tracks of a red army tank

I'm beginning to think that CJ Morgan was educated in the Maoist school of thought. His vehemently anti-Western, anti-Christian tune certainly sounds the same.

"Doubt they are looking for war, ruins status and prosperity the cornerstones of thier culture. Why fight for it when you can buy it?"

Perhaps I should have named this thread "Australia as a Chinese tributary state."

Samuel Huntington claimed in his influential book "The Clash of Civilzations" that Australia under Paul Keating had attempted to defect from the West in favour of closer ties with Asia. Huntington's claim was derided by our political elite, but it doesn't seem so outlandish these days.

As perhaps the most compliant and apathetic nation in the Western world, Australia seems content to allow itself to be dragged into the status of a Chinese satellite state - not only economically, but also politically and demographically. Canberra doesn't quite realise that Chinese cash comes at the price of our sovereignty in the long-term.

Ah yes, the Chinese are so "tricky". They've been at it for ages too. Do you know that in almost every Australian town of any size, and in many suburbs, there is a Chinese restaurant? Obviously these "red" cadres have been planted strategically by Beijing in order to provide a ready-made network of spies!

And as for that Kevin Rudd fellow, well obviously he's suspect because he speaks Mandarin. Probably a Red sleeper agent planted by Beijing as part of their plan for world domination, I reckon.

Seriously, I agree that the Chinese government has a reprehensible record, particularly with respect to human rights and environmental issues. However, I think that claims that they have designs on Australian territory or sovereignty are fanciful, to say the least. As somebody mentioned, they don't need to because by the beauty of capitalism - ironically - their burgeoning economy will be an increasing determinant of Australia's economic fortines in years to come.

Contrary to the fantasies of some, I'm not a Maoist, socialist, APEC demonstrator or ALP voter. One reason I vote for the Greens, however, is that they seem to be the only Australian political party with the guts to stand up to the Chinese government on human rights.

I'm certainly not anti-Western, but neither do I harbour the latter day Yellow Peril or Islamophobic fantasies that seem to bedevil some people. Australia has a richly complex society that is quite capable of adapting to a rapidly changing world, and one way in which it does this is by integrating diverse ethnicities, cultures and religions within itself.

Inevitably, given our geographical location, this will mean that our society will become less obviously 'Western'. Whether or not some people feel threatened by this is largely irrelevant, because the globalisation toothpaste's out of the tube.

Don't forget that these "tricky" Chinese have all but taken our local manufacturing industry away from us, along with many jobs.

Oh, I forgot - we gave it to them. Profit before politics.

CJ Morgan said: "Inevitably, given our geographical location, this will mean that our society will become less obviously 'Western'. Whether or not some people feel threatened by this is largely irrelevant, because the globalisation toothpaste's out of the tube."

Your version of globalisation sounds awfully like geographical determinism.

Contrary to your opinion, there is nothing inevitable about Australia chosing to be imprisoned by its geography and disassociating itself from its culture. If anything, globalisation - in the true sense of the word - means that Australia is less bound by the tyranny of geography than ever before.

One of the many accusations levelled against the West is 'cultural genocide'. But if there’s any going on these days in this part of the world, it’s the genocide of Australia's European heritage. And that has nothing to do with globalisation, and everything to do with geographical determinism.

As for being 'bedeviled' by fears of 'Yellow Peril', I can only assume that it does not bother you in the slightest that a large number of people holding Australian citizenship are possibly spying for foreign governments. Last time I checked, treason was still a crime in this country. By then again, such dubious loyalties to Australia are the inevitable result of multiculturalism, an ideology close to your own heart. Whatever lofty notions may exist, multiculturalism in reality has encouraged immigrant groups to maintain an allegiance to their former homelands, to the point where it has undermined Australia's national security and sovereignty.

Canada certainly believes Chinese spies to be a legitimate concern:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060414/china_espionage_060414/20060414?hub=TopStories

Are the Canadians paranoid about 'Yellow Peril' also?

Dresdener
Thank you for opening this much needed thread.
My name is Antje Struthmann.
I am German born and as Morgan will tell you I sometimes miss spell English and don’t express myself as he would. I would however really would like to join your thread if that’s ok... Australia should be self sufficient and the ALP are encouraging even more ships with our natural resources being sent to China and else where. Unless we control our own country we are going to be in terrible trouble later on in life. What is the matter with these Australian Politicians? Are they so Lilly weak they cant do a bit better for the Australian people? Or are they just bone lazy or is it a bit of both.
The Labour Government will push and push to export even more of our jobs to the cruel China. I won’t apologise using these terms because they have NO concern for Animal Welfare and often not even people. Australia surely is no so desperate and poor we have to send millions of sheep cattle and all livestock ‘Alive’ in death ships to this dreadful death at the hands of cruel practises. Did you know we send rabbits there that they skin alive! - Keep our produce here and manufacture our own goods Mr Rudd and give our grandchildren a future and show some responsibility and concern for our Australian farm animals.
Please read this Mr Rudd and Mr Howard- from the Gold Coast Bulletin QLD

Live export trade inquiry would be like lambs to slaughter


THE RSPCA may have the answer for fed¬eral Labor politicians struggling to galv¬anise voters with the AWB bribery scandal.
The recent 60 Minutes program on Channel 9 revealing cruelty on Australian cattle in the Middle East hit a nerve.
Not that the RSPCA was surprised by the strong response from Australians outraged at endemic cruelty in the live export trade.
Many Australian voters may not give two hoots about $300 million in kickbacks to Saddam Hussein to sew up Australian wheat sales to Iraq.
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This thread should remind us all why we post and read messages here.
For a start it is social exchange for many of us and the chance to have our views seen and read others.
But if we are open minded, if we truly want to we may learn too.
Learn our biases our ideas are ours but they may not be true.
Or even begin to understand the issue involved.
Red China? surely most of us know it is a term that no longer describes the one party state that is China?
And even thinking the ALP is betraying us by trading with them? is that not so very wrong?
It is not just governments trading with China John Howard if he could retain office would trade with them just as closely you can bet on it China drives our economy now and tomorrow.
Now here, in this thread we are reminded of the shameful record of China in human rights.
Yes it is all true, but just sometimes trade can help bring about change.
We are told Armageddon may be China invading both Australia and the middle east.
OK but may I ask do we all base our life on religion? am I free to regard all religion as a fable?
What out cry do we hear about Zimbabwe? the bigger part of Africa for that matter?
I am biased, yes I am as little more than a kid I thought I found God in left wing politics, it was no God I was wrong.
But the extremist right wing thoughts expressed in this thread are just as wrong.
In Kevin Rudd I see balance, a restoration badly needed in the way my county[ at this point I ask the person who tells me it is not my country to ignore me as I will all of them] needs balance not bigotry.

China is on the verge of economic collapse. It is being propped up by internal money recycling and the fears of the rest of the world. If China sneezes the rest of the world catches cold. The leadership uses external fear of the huge population to control the rest of the world. It uses internal virtual slavery to control the majority.
Yes, on the surface China looks like a boom economy but the reality is very different.
China has moved into every area of our lives...bought any frozen vegetables lately? Hard to find as most of them are "Made in China" along with clothing, machinery, toys, entertainment etc etc.
China is hoping to hold out long enough to be able to raise their prices and claw their way out of massive debt.
Mandarin Rudd's ability to speak a little Chinese is not going to save the day, indeed it will probably make matters far worse - especially if he continues to be arrogant enough to believe that he can make a difference and that speaking a little Chinese will make a difference.
The ALP way of doing business is not acceptable in China either - a lesson Rudd will learn the hard way, if he can learn it at all. This is especially so because the Chinese leadership believe they can get away with gross abuses of human rights even while the world is watching the Olympics. (Probably right too - most people will only care about their country's medal count.)

Belly
Well said and you have raised some valid points

.APEC is also a Labour victory being the brain child Bob Hawk.
.Nobody is saying ALP is betraying us by dealing with China or any other country.
The real issue here is Australian Politicians Howard and Rudd are betraying the Australian people by sending our raw materials off in its most valuable form. We are buying China or overseas foods produced with our raw products sent back to us. Clothing electrical etc. That’s simply not clever. We are the food bowl of the world working our way towards being unable to produce food for our own people. We are already dependant on overseas to just about everything in particular the live Animal Export trade is an Economical dead end. It is this cruel trade that has slowly eroded Australian Regional areas Australia’s backbone. The AMIEU have long cried for the live trade to cease and many abattoirs along with those jobs have been closed because it. The AMIEU have pointed out for years it is not just abattoir jobs lost but value adding which flows throughout all manufacturing and thousands of Australian jobs. Indeed the real reason China and other countries buy live Animals are to buy employment for their own economy. So if we are to discuss the ALP it is important we look closely at Mr. Rudd and today’s Labour to ask the right questions. We need to know why Mr. Rudd has not delivered a policy to divert some of these jobs back to our own country instead of exporting our products in its most valuable form like the Howard Government... We don’t want to hear either anymore of labors standard email declaring Labour hold concern for animal welfare. We can export to china and elsewhere but we must stop allowing these big countries to walk all over us. If they want meat they can buy it in a box while we keep our economy strong and keep jobs here.

Sorry but that post is scrambled eggs!#nobody said ALP is betraying us by dealing with China?#
The thread is called red China and the ALP.
Reference is made to Rudd thinking he can trust these something or other little people?
It is stated Howard and Rudd are both betraying us by sending our raw materials over seas?
While it would be great to add value here and export finished goods would Asia have the money to buy them? or want them?
Now that remark that we are exporting our food we grow to have it sent back to us? it is not true of much we grow is it?
Food bowl of the world? maybe wheat ,some sugar, but apart from meat what else?
We without drought may well be , I doubt we will starve in this country.
Live animal exports , well we imported our Marino,s and the horse flu came via live animals.
Without doubt some practices in exporting animals are quite cruel, and wrong.
However yet again can we sell meat to those markets that take live animals?
Is it just a dream? is it not true some country's want live sheep only?
While I have an understanding of your friendly unions wants and needs like much in life the best result may be something quite different.
Australia no longer has a manufacturing industry, I deeply regret that but world trade killed it not any government set on betrayal.
We can not pick what we want to send over seas and what we want to keep, this country is at the very top of its game, the economy is booming what would it be like without exports?
Do we gain from ignoring reality?
And bring some of these jobs back to Australia? workers, how do we get them? we already import workers to fill jobs as we have more jobs in some places than workers.

Belly,

We are on the same team. We work to also support AMIEU members rights for jobs in Australia-
Please take a moment to read some of the comments in support of AMIEU that they have gathered with the peition on AMIEU web sites.>
http://consciousevolution.com/onshu/view_signatures.php
Perhaps you would hounour us a paid union official and support your fellow unions here-
http://consciousevolution.com/onshu/Petition.php

AMIEU Federal BranchThe AMIEU (Australasian Meat Industry Employees' Union) is a union for all persons ... Live Export Petition ... Queensland Branch Secretary. Russell Carr ...
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People Against Live Exports and Intensive Farming (PALE)PALE is working closely with RSPCA Queensland, AMIEU, farmers, live importers, and have found an alternative method for live exports.
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http://wa.amieu.asn.au/pages.php?recid=52
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People Against Live Exports and Intensive Farming - What can I do?The potential for chilled meat exports to substitute for live exports is ... around 10500 in lost jobs (the AMIEU puts that figure closer to 20000 jobs). ...
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It is simply not good enough to say Aussies dont want to work in abattoirs. Data shows directand indirect economic linkages of the meat procesing embrace a wide range sector including ransports,wholesal trade,energy, packaging and paper, other feed lot products, mechanicial andother repairs, banking and financial services, communication, business services, publicadminisration, health and others services.
We should be selling products to China NOT the other way around!
Rudd and Howard are keeping in with the big boys whow donate to their parties in preferance to looking after OUR interests.

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AMIEU Federal BranchThe AMIEU (Australasian Meat Industry Employees' Union) is a union for all persons ... Live Export Petition ... Queensland Branch Secretary. Russell Carr ...
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China has an appauling record of Animal Health and the author is correct- Not much better with people.

Create jobs here and show some "Christian Compassion Plenty of migrants will need jobs. [ Maybe even some from China]