Indyvidual

Exactly.

I am of two minds on this;
I think we should bring them back. Atleast we have a couple of
detention centres we could send them two for a "Reordination"
procedure to give a longer examination than could have been done
in Syria.
Depending on the results release to their families or to a
detention centre near their families.
A compromise of course, but it should sort them out.

we have a couple of
detention centres we could send them two for a "Reordination"
Bazz,
Being back here they'll not appreciate how good they had it here before & will only become more stroppy if not let free straight away. That's why it is vital that they go somewhere else first ! Australia can still pay for it but at least they'll have to learn to toe the line somewhere else first !

Banjo,

You claim that"

"Australia has responsibilities towards its citizens both domestically and internationally. We have signed international conventions which we must respect".

Can you direct us to these "conventions" where it says Australia has responsibilities for citizens who defied the law to leave Australia to join terrorists in a foreign war?

'Conventions' just state they way things are 'usually done'.

I feel that you are merely saying things that you think 'should' be done, or you are repeating something someone else has said.

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Dear ttbn,

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You wrote :

« Can you direct us to these "conventions" where it says Australia has responsibilities for citizens who defied the law to leave Australia to join terrorists in a foreign war? »
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What I wrote was :

« Australia has responsibilities towards its citizens both domestically and internationally. We have signed international conventions which we must respect. We have a moral, legal, and political obligation to repatriate Australian citizens held in custody for their terrorist-related activities in the detention camps in Syria »
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Several binding UN Security Council Resolutions – 2178 (2014) and 2396 (2017) – impose a legal obligation on states to bring terrorists to justice and to develop and implement appropriate prosecution, rehabilitation, and reintegration strategies for returning foreign terrorist fighters.

Also, article 3 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), States “undertake to ensure the child such protection and care as is necessary for his or her well-being” and the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration. The rights to education and health are not (sufficiently) being provided in the detention camps.

The CRC requires states to protect children from all forms of physical and mental abuse and that States should promote both physical and psychological recovery and reintegration as a result of any form of neglect, abuse, torture, or armed conflict. All of this strongly suggests that states must repatriate and take care of the children rather than leave them in the misery of the camps.

Also, the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of 1963 stipulates that states should provide assistance to their citizens, in particular safeguarding the interests of minors.

In a recent court case in Belgium, the judge decided that this obligation also has to be upheld by Belgian diplomatic and consular services. The court ordered that Belgium should do everything in its power to bring back six children and their mothers from detention camps in Syria.

Here are some articles on repatriation obligations :

http://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/Executions/UNSRsPublicJurisdictionAnalysis2020.pdf

http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220622-un-calls-on-australia-to-repatriate-nationals-in-syria-camps/

http://www.hrw.org/news/2021/03/23/thousands-foreigners-unlawfully-held-ne-syria

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Dear Indyvidual,

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You wrote :

« … Australian Citizens have responsibilities towards Australia ! »
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Quite right, Indyvidual.
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« When Citizens choose to denounce their responsibilities, Australians have every right to denounce them & leave them to the results of their deliberate choice ! ».

That sounds like good logic to me, Indyvidual. Indeed, I think that is generally the case when some Australian individual commits a crime in some other country. Take, for example, the case of Julian Assange – poor chap. He has been largely left by the Australian government “to the result of [his] deliberate choice”, to battle it alone against the United States that is out for his blood.

The case of the men, women and children in the Syrian detention camps is different. These people have been associated with international terrorist activities and Australia is a signatory to various international conventions that invest in it the moral, legal, and political obligation to repatriate them to Australia.
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« Govts don't usually fail their Citizens, it's Citizens who, in their capacity & duty as bureaucrats who fail their fellow Citizens as do greedy Citizens ! »

Well, I guess nothing is perfect, Indyvidual – not even governments.

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