Aidan wrote "But it's never got this hot this fast in human history."

I'd ask for evidence of that but I know it'd be futile since no such evidence exists. The alarmists used to say that it was the warmest period ever, but when that unravelled they've reverted to the claim that its warming faster than ever. But its just something they say since they don't and can't know it to be true. For example, when Marcott released his 2013 paper he said that the average temperature resolution was >300 years. That is, the data isn't good enough to know if there has been other periods of 100 years or so where temperatures increased at the rate of the 20th century. Claiming otherwise is not science even though those who make such claims assert that they are following the science.

Incidentally, Marcott in the same paper found that temperatures were higher than at present for 25% of the past 12000 years.

Aidna wrote: "Environmentalists had brought the issue to public attention long before she [Thatcher] got involved."

That's true. Thatcher got on board since she could use it as a cudgel to smack coal miners around with. But its a little disingenuous to say science had bought the issue forward "long before". Indeed, what alarmists were saying long before was that we were headed to a great cooling and an ice age. But we are required to forget that.

Is it possible that we cannot get proof or evidence for climate change claims because there is none?

We have been conditioned to listen to 'experts' for so long that we meekly accept everything they say.

Let's face it: most people get information only from the media, which in turn, repeats what it is told.

Follow the money. There are a few not-very-nice people making billions out of all the scaremongering; there are also not-very-nice politicians and bureaucrats revelling in the power they have taken upon themselves.

Globalists and the WEF refer to it all as an "opportunity", as does our new king and other amazingly rich people who don't know how 80% of people live.

We think we are smarter than the people who fell for the 'world is flat' science; too many of us are definitely not smarter.

God struth the brain dead fossils are stirring from their coffins yet again. How many times does this need to be put to bed. Speaking of which...

Dear mhaze,

You asked of Rache: "Would you please give me the formulae that prove CO2 is capable of increasing global temperature by any meaningful degree."

Sure. Let's start with the IPCC's.

ΔF = 5.35 ln (C/C0)

The "Δ" in the above post was the 'change in' symbol.

SR wrote: "Dear mhaze, You asked of Rache:.... "

Nup. T'wasn't me.

But if I had, the answer would have required defining the word "meaningful".

Dear mhaze,

I think defining the word would more properly lie with the questioner. So what is yours?