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The Climate Wars Start Now !

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Indy,

Back up your claim with evidence, otherwise you are just making it up.

You claim; "it's the cost to the environment we're on about & solar & wind power manufacturing pollution has gone through the roof !
They make coal look clean !"

Provide evidence, its not for me to disprove your claim.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 11 August 2022 5:17:49 PM
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Oh Dear, I have only got as far as Pauls post.
Paul, asuming your figures are correct they are non the less meaningless.
Your figures for solar are only for about 6 hours a day, the rest
they produce next to nothing. In winter it is even less.
With wind they produce about 35% of nameplate over a year.
There is talk of some designs reaching 50% of nameplate.
So you have to buy 2 or 3 more wind turbines.
However experience is starting to indicate that maybe you need to
buy up to 12 times as many turbines.
This is the problem that the UK & Germany have run into.
Their countries are too small to be able to find enough variation in
the wind somewhere else in their country.
Thank God for France they say.
Australia might just be big enough, if the WA is included.
But a real time model is needed with hundreds of wx stations installed
in the most likely areas.
Whatever the multiplication comes up at I doubt we can afford such
cost as multiplication between 5 and 8 times.
The less number of sites we use the more often we have periods of no wind.
It is a real problem that only $Trillions of dollars worth of
batteries could solve.
Work it out, 60 gwatt x 24 hrs @ $1.35 a watt/hr.
Them duplicate again the wind & solar
to recharge the battery the next windy sunny day.

Provided the next day is not overcast and still.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 11 August 2022 5:26:45 PM
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It would be interesting to find out the cost of the three modular
nuclear generators that Rolls Royce have contracted with the UK government.
I suspect that the cost excuse may now be redundant.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 11 August 2022 5:37:22 PM
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Bazz,

The CSIRO experts say nuclear is too costly as a way of avoiding the truth that Australia has zero commercial nuclear power expertise thanks to a moronic anti-nuclear philosophy practiced by most of our pollies for the past few generations. I hope that SMRs become available in quantity before the erratic energy disaster unfolds much further, but I fear that Australia will be at the end of a long queue. A big shame that the sound advice of many physicists like Sir Mark Oliphant was ignored in favour of the false and alarmist anti-nuclear ranting of greenie nutjobs.
Posted by Fester, Thursday, 11 August 2022 6:31:54 PM
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Hey Bazz,

"How will I reduce by 6.14% each and every year ?
How do I prove it ?"

Bottle your farts and send them in to Labor, the Greens or the Teal candidates.
- Request a rebate or carbon credits.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 11 August 2022 10:02:24 PM
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Bottle your farts and send them in to Labor, the Greens or the Teal candidates.
Armchair Critic,
Good idea, wean their supporters off the spray paints & petrol !
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 11 August 2022 10:29:33 PM
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