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The Climate Wars Start Now !

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Unfortunately the naysayers of renewable energy have got it wrong. Their thinking is rooted in the past where renewable energy production was far more expensive than that of fossil fuels. In 2010 it would cost a world average (without subsidies) $378 megawatt/hr to produce electricity from solar, but only $111 from coal and $96 from nuclear. Today the costs have reversed, in 2019 solar costs had plummeted to $68, whilst coal had remained relatively the same at $109, nuclear had risen to $155.

The naysayers are still basing their arguments around out of date data, or trying to deflect to other arguments concerning reliability. The fact is by 2019, 72& of investment in new capacity world wide was in renewable energy.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 6:28:05 AM
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"I grow a lot of my own food."
I bet you aren't even very good at that.

And you didn't invent anything.
You didn't invent mobile phones, web 2.0, or the covid vaccine...
- and btw it's Web 3.0 numbnut.

Support socialism?
You mean you contribute nothing, piss and moan about everyone else and have been empowered by all the other retards like you, and demand and expect everything free?

- I know the type.
Your toilets probably caked in urine build-up because you're trying to save on the cost of flushing, but you tell people you're helping the environment.
The socialists will get you plowing those fields properly, don't you worry.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 11:40:42 AM
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"I grow a lot of my own food."
I bet you aren't even very good at that.

-- Of course you do, boomer. LOL!

And you didn't invent anything.
You didn't invent mobile phones, web 2.0, or the covid vaccine...
- and btw it's Web 3.0 numbnut.

-- Web 1.0 was not fancy. From 2.0, it was something utterly new.

Support socialism?
You mean you contribute nothing, piss and moan about everyone else and have been empowered by all the other retards like you, and demand and expect everything free?

-- No, moron, I mean I support socialism. You're describing the right.

- I know the type.
Your toilets probably caked in urine build-up because you're trying to save on the cost of flushing, but you tell people you're helping the environment.

-- I love when right wing scum cry their fantasies at me.

The socialists will get you plowing those fields properly, don't you worry.

HAHAHAA!! It's funny because you still think socialism is what America told you it was in 1957, the last year you learned something new
Posted by The voice of reason, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 11:43:21 AM
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Paul,

The killer for erratic energy (aka wind/solar), aside from being erratic, is the capacity factor. So yes, erratic energy may be much cheaper for the energy you generate, but to generate around the clock you need six to eight times as much, plus batteries and all the extra infrastructure to accommodate it. Nobody knows just how much more 24/7 erratic energy would cost as nobody has built a working model. My guess is at least four times the cost of gen3 nuclear.
Posted by Fester, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 11:48:05 AM
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"The killer for erratic energy (aka wind/solar), aside from being erratic, is the capacity factor. So yes, erratic energy may be much cheaper for the energy you generate, but to generate around the clock you need six to eight times as much, plus batteries and all the extra infrastructure to accommodate it. Nobody knows just how much more 24/7 erratic energy would cost as nobody has built a working model. My guess is at least four times the cost of gen3 nuclear."

Every body that looks into nuclear concludes that it's too expensive. The thing with 'erratic' sources is that you hook into more than one. Solar AND wind AND tidal AND batteries.
Posted by The voice of reason, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 11:56:27 AM
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"Every body that looks into nuclear concludes that it's too expensive."

Really? French nuclear costs about a third as much as German erratic.

https://energycentral.com/c/ec/germany-solar-and-wind-triple-cost-france%E2%80%99s-nuclear-and-will-last-half-long

And produses a tenth of the CO2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC_BCz0pzMw

"The thing with 'erratic' sources is that you hook into more than one. Solar AND wind AND tidal AND batteries."

Yes, and that means dollars and dollars and dollars, plus infrastructure, plus power regulating hardware and software, plus transmission infrastructure, plus at least half the generating capacity from gas fired power, which sits idle for much of the time. And everything needs to be maintained.

Hey, but you don't have to take my word for it. You can experience the mess from the erratic energy zealots first hand if that is your preference.
Posted by Fester, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 12:24:54 PM
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