Dear Paul,

People who resort to naming Indigenous senators after
sexually transmitted diseases as shadominister did
with Senator Thorpe and had his post deleted by the
moderator - do not have any credibility on this forum

I am fed up with all the misinformation and lies being
sprouted here by people who would not have voted for the
Voice no matter what.

These people are irrelevant and will end up on the dung
heap of the history of this country. The majority of Australians
will do the right thing and fully understand what is being
asked of them.

Paul, you are the ultimate redneck.

Foxy,

You happily repost "opinions" from those who support your views from dubious sources even when they are clearly Bollocks and ignore the vile comments and name manipulation from Paul even when his posts have been deleted. You are so left-leaning that you walk in circles.

What alarms conservatives is that the Questions that Albozo intends to put in the referendum are so vague that Labor and the gangreens are essentially getting a blank cheque to do whatever they want. A defacto 3rd chamber of parliament is entirely possible.

While you may believe that Labor does not intend this, just remember the carbon tax that Juliar gave an iron cast guarantee would never happen.

Hi Foxy,

These are the people who crow that 91% voted for Aboriginal recognition in 1967. We should not forget they are people who were part of the 9% who didn't support that referendum question. I said earlier in this discussion; "Of greater concern than the rubbish argument of "star chamber" from the racists of the extreme right is those who will claim, "agreement in principle", but oppose on the grounds of "lack of detail", no matter what detail is provided them". 100 years ago these old blokes ancestors were shooting Aboriginals for sport, today we are asking a lot from them, to vote 'yes', when all their instincts tell em' to vote 'no'.

Like any referendum before it, this one will be put in the form of a question/statement, requiring an unambiguous yes or no answer. The idea that the actual legislation should be contained in the referendum is not only ridiculous, its totally impractical.

Dear Paul,

For me this topic has now well and truly run its
course. I believe as I've stated time and again
that people have to face up to the moral
implications of their actions., and must not sit
on the fence. I have made my choice regarding
the Voice to Parliament.

Enjoy what's left of the week-end and I look forward
to sharing further discussions with you.

Take care.

Stay well.

Hi Foxy,

On the information I have seen so far I will be voting yes, it would take something dramatic to change my mind. For me there is nothing sinister about this proposal, in fact Aboriginal recognition in the Australian Constitution is 120 years overdue. There is no doubt colonisation of the continent by the European had a dramatic effect on the well being of the indigenous inhabitants, as it did elsewhere the European colonised. Aboriginal people were brutally push aside and treated in the most vile of ways, genocide, murder and exclusion was the order of the day for the best part of 200 years. It is remarkable that like other indigenous people of the world, Aboriginals generally harbour little hatred towards modern white Australia for past atrocities committed, we can't change history, but we can learn from it. This referendum will be one more step in the healing process between white and black, its failure would set the process of reconciliation back 100 years, and that is something that forward thinking people such as ourselves should not contemplate, leave that to our racists, redneck forum friends.

After the FEDERAL Referendum next year the FEDERAL VOICE will probably go in thi direction of the First Peoples ASSEMBLY of VICTORIA. That ASSEMBLY WAS CREATED IN 2019. See http://www.firstpeoplesvic.org/the-assembly/

"A MEANINGFUL VOICE AND REPRESENTATION"

http://www.firstpeoplesvic.org/treaty/voice/

"Treaty is an opportunity to secure better representation and political power for First Peoples.

Both the state-wide Treaty and Traditional Owner Treaties can include changes to current systems and structures of government to give First Peoples a greater say and control over matters that affect First Peoples.

“Treaty is opportunity to secure meaningful structural reform to ensure our people can make the decisions about our communities, our culture and our Country.”
— Aunty Geraldine, Assembly Co-Chair.

We’ve been yarning with Community about various ideas for reforms that will put First Peoples in the driver’s seat. Two big ideas for key reforms are:

HAVING A NUMBER OF SEATS in the Victorian Parliament that members of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community vote for.

Establishing a PERMANENT REPRESENTATIVE BODY WITH DECISION MAKING POWERS

– a “BLACK PARLIAMENT” of sorts.

[Yes those are the words of the First Peoples ASSEMBLY of VICTORIA.]

"This Black Parliament would be elected by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in Victoria to make decisions and pass and administer laws on issues that affect First Peoples. This might be an expanded version of the First Peoples’ Assembly or a new entity – such details will be worked out during Treaty negotiations..."

MAVERS COMMENT

All looks better than equal representation for all people under the law.