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US Supreme Court Abolishes Constitutional Right to Abortion

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Dear Foxy,

Well done for picking up mhaze's misattributing one of the three quotes. He certainly is running true to form. He really puts such little effort into homework nowadays.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 5:51:32 PM
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Dear mhaze,

Rubbish.

Under your scenario there would still be segregation in Mississippi.

The Civil Rights Bill in 64 was opposed by most of the Southern Senators from both sides.

“On February 10, 1964, the House of Representatives voted in favor of the bill, HR 7152. When the House-passed bill arrived in the Senate on February 26, 1964, Majority Leader Mike Mansfield placed it directly on the Senate calendar rather than refer it to the Judiciary Committee, chaired by civil rights opponent James Eastland of Mississippi. On March 9, when Mansfield moved to take up the measure, southern senators launched a filibuster against the bill. The Senate debated the bill for sixty days, including seven Saturdays.

At the time, a two-thirds vote, or sixty-seven senators, was required to invoke cloture and cut off debate in the Senate. Since southern Democrats opposed the legislation, votes from a substantial number of senators in the Republican minority would be needed to end the filibuster. Minnesota Senator Hubert Humphrey, the Democratic whip who managed the bill on the Senate floor, enlisted the aid of Republican Minority Leader Everett M. Dirksen of Illinois. Dirksen, although a longtime supporter of civil rights, had opposed the bill because he objected to certain provisions. Humphrey therefore worked with him to redraft the controversial language and make the bill more acceptable to Republicans. Once the changes were made, Dirksen gained key votes for cloture from his party colleagues with a powerful speech calling racial integration "an idea whose time has come."

On June 10, a coalition of 27 Republicans and 44 Democrats ended the filibuster when the Senate voted 71 to 29 for cloture, thereby limiting further debate. This marked the first time in its history that the Senate voted to end debate on a civil rights bill. ”

When an issue impacting the whole nation and is values is at stake having it decided at a Federal level just as when the Supreme Court banned the execution of child offenders in 2005.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 5:56:52 PM
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Foxy
what I understand and you don’t is that the Court cannot change the Constitution, so if abortion rights existed under the Constitution then they can’t be abolished.
It was you who stated that the SCOTUS had abolished abortion rights
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 6:06:34 PM
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Dear Is Mise,

Mate what is it with you and comprehension.

The individual right to bear arms outside the bounds of a well regulated militia is NOT in the constitution.

Indeed the only way the activist Supreme Court in 2008 in a 5-4 decision was able to deliver a judgement that as a 'right' was to infer from the writings on one of the founding fathers on the subject.

“In a dissenting opinion, Justice John Paul Stevens stated that the court's judgment was "a strained and unpersuasive reading" which overturned longstanding precedent, and that the court had "bestowed a dramatic upheaval in the law"”

So the right was not explicit in the constitution at all and was only granted via the Supreme Court of the time inferring it.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 6:40:28 PM
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Steele,
I have the same problem in understanding it as the current. SCOTUS.

As regards the Second Amendment, it doesn’t confer the right to bear arms to the citizens, it recognises an existing right.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 6:51:12 PM
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mhaze,

Tell you what - give us a link to exactly where Obama
said as you claim: : We will push back twice as hard,"
and in what context this was said because I can't find
it - and I doubt if Obama would ever incite violence
of any kind. So please do tell.

As for Trump's statements?

I've already made it clear to you that with his statement
that instead of condemning the violence of the murderous
mob and saying that there were "good people on both side..."

"With those words the President of the US assigned a moral
equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the
courage to stand against it."

I can't believe that you're seriously still trying to defend
this lunatic. When even today we hear from his former
staffers - on what a crazy nutter the man really was.
Totally mental and of unsound mind. And you're seriously
comparing him to Obama? Come on - are you for real?

Dear Steele,

I'm now beginning to wonder about mhaze's mental stability.
As for Is Mise?

The less said the better.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 7:18:00 PM
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