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Power prices under Labor.

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Canem,
>It might be an interesting exercise to see if there is even enough concentrated lithium
>reserves in the world to supply the energy storage needs
Personally I'd find that exercise boring, but if you find it interesting then go for it.

However you should be aware that there doesn't actually need to be enough of it to supply the world's energy storage needs. There are lots of alternative ways of making batteries. Sodium (which is ultra abundant) can be used instead. Vanadium batteries (an Aussie invention) are another alternative, and researchers are trying to find a way to use iron instead (to make batteries far cheaper). There are several kinds of zinc battery, and there are ongoing efforts to improve the performance of capacitors to make them competitive with batteries in some applications. There's also the option of using hydrogen fuel cells, and in some cases the electrolyses that produce the hydrogen can double as fuel cells when electricity demand is high.

Lithium batteries do have the advantage of being light and self contained, but there are enough alternatives for your concern to be unwarranted - you can debate it if you want to but don't expect Greenies to waste much time on this non issue.

Your view of electric cars as "not practical" suggests you're not up to speed on their development.
Posted by Aidan, Saturday, 28 May 2022 1:34:01 AM
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It was interesting how Taylor and Morrison hid the bad news before the election that retail electricity prices were about to rise substantially. Australians can expect even more shocks caused by almost 10 years of Coalition incompetence. Labor will have a difficult time repairing the damage to the economy caused by the drunken economic behaviour of the Morrison mob.

A TRILLION DOLLARS OF LIBERAL DEBT!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 28 May 2022 6:32:36 AM
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We don't have an energy problem but an energy storage problem..
Canem Malum,
precisely and, a mentality problem also !
Posted by Indyvidual, Saturday, 28 May 2022 7:29:39 AM
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Albanese has said he wants to ‘end the climate wars’ and create a ‘renewable energy superpower’. Inevitably, that means we’re going to be buying solar panels from China and there will be a greater frequency of blackouts.

In the meantime, the suckers are nodding their thick heads at the idea of electric cars and other rich persons' toys, oblivious to the fact that they are being conned by billionaires after even more of the suckers money. The climate/renewable energy/anti-fossil fuel racket is just a glorified version of Nigerians on the phone robbing old ladies.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 28 May 2022 8:58:47 AM
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Without reliable baseload power, Australia will lose any hope of an independent manufacturing base and the low income earners will be the first to suffer.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 28 May 2022 9:03:28 AM
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On the matter of electric cars: Australia stopped subsidising its own car industry because it wasn’t viable. Now, we are subsidising the electric cars of foreign manufacturers: around $3,000 for cars under $70k, I believe.

Duh!
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 28 May 2022 9:31:08 AM
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