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ttbn, this Brian Wimborne, who ever he is, seems to be just some opinionated nincompoop. What is his claim to fame? Does he even have one.

How about YOU define "normal". This is something the far right like to foster, that they, and they alone, are the "normal" folk in society. Can you name these so called "normal" people, other than this nincompoop Winborne.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 10:59:49 AM
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http://www.billmitchell.org/White_Paper_1945/index.html

In 1945 the Labor Party released a white paper on full employment.
(I once saw the original but can't find it now...)

To date, I am the only person on the planet to have ever come up with any kind of idea that would make this even remotely possible.
If someone else can come up with a better idea than mine, I'd like to hear it.

- And I'm just a nobody -

Why don't they embrace such an idea?
The answers simple, they have a different policy

- Keep them poor -
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 3:15:21 PM
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AC,

'Pig Iron' Bob Menzies the founder of the LIBERAL PARTY believed in two things when it came to suppressing wages. One, there should be a pool of 10% unemployed, and two the value of the working woman to reduce wages. I don't believe Morrison has deviated from the founding fathers philosophy.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 4:50:06 PM
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Some other quotes -

"A Conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward"-
Franklin D. Roosevelt

"Conservatism, however, is too often a welcome excuse for lazy minds, loath to adapt themselves to fast changing conditions"
Sigmund Freud

"A Conservative is a man who just sits and thinks, mostly just sits"
Woodrow Wilson

"There are no Conservatives in the United States.. They believe in a welfare state for the rich".
Noam Chomsky

"Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money".
George Carlin

Those are all just political opinions, but this one seems universal but always overlooked -

"In Nature there are neither rewards nor punishments - there are consequences"
Robert Green Ingersol
Posted by rache, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 10:30:43 PM
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Dear ttbn,

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You wrote :

"The Greens are troubled people, not mad, but not normal either. Like all left-wing apparatchiks, they rely totally on ideological theory to project political and social reforms. In so doing, they reject rational thought. They are the latest, but probably not the last, in a long line of self-appointed prophets whose mission is to save the world. Their message is viewed as holy writ. Anyone who rejects it is condemned for apostasy." (Brian Wimborne, 11/5/22)
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Yes, I read that in the article Wimbourne published in the ultraconservative Quadrant magazine, this month.

Wimbourne publishes regularly in Quadrant. He migrated to Australia from the UK as a boy, studied at Monash and the ANU, became a public servant, then a visiting fellow at the A.N.U., and is now the ripe old age of 83 – possibly retired from active duty.

His conservatism has nothing to envy that of Keith Windschuttle, the editor of Quadrant who was appointed a board member of the ABC in the 1960s before making a spectacular 180° political about-turn in the 1970s – from far left to far right ! Windschuttle is 80 but still active as editor of Quadrant.

The IPSOS Climate Change Report in April 2022 found that :

• only 15% of Australians are not concerned about climate change. People aged over 65 years are significantly more likely to state they are not concerned about climate change. Males are also statistically more likely to say they are not concerned (18% compared to 11% among females) :

http://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/publication/documents/2022-04/Ipsos%20Climate%20Change%20Report%202022.pdf

According to an article published by “L’Express” in Paris today (17th May) :

“Climate change remains one, if not the first concern of 18–35-year-olds. According to an Ipsos poll published in November, 44% of young people placed it at the heart of their concerns, ahead of purchasing power. The general population rather follows the opposite pattern” :

http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/climat-les-contradictions-de-la-generation-fin-du-monde_2173403.html?m_i=cNX8uGHpoVz45OOWce0OH9A_zZ8o0DgQ7xah9HoU6iKXc9P5e_uQAEDS7ooLb960NJCkTRa6AyyfzNwOpGfvXeQgobiPDB&#xtor=EPR-583-[NL_flash_info]-20220517&utm_source=lexpress&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=583-%5BNL_flash_info%5D&utm_content=EPR&utm_term=_&m_i=ApzlXCILPE7i9Yb8oE0UB5U_nY8w0VBgfxjpv9epAhba5OTwHEAmxQjuICcnLNnYKIzINZU3TPwvSm22QZhSIGQAVmdDPP&M_BT=473694891389
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Wimbourne seems to be barking up the wrong tree by blaming it all on “The Greens”. Their influence does not appear to merit a mention in any of the surveys.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 12:59:05 AM
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Self interest;

My grand daughter tells me the big issues at this election, are car ownership, the cost of cars, the price pf petrol, the cost of car insurance (for under 25's), the difficulties in getting a driving licence, the lack of assistance in getting young people into their own car, the sky high price of good secondhand cars, the condition of roads (pot holes), bad car drivers, animals on roads, thoughtless pedestrians, the high cost of driving lessons, decent google directions for those who don't know where they are going, etc, etc.

She said neither Scomo or Albo addressed any of these problems in their policy speeches. Why not a "First Car Owners Grant" of say $8,000 to get young people into their first little buzz box. Why not a bit of negative gearing where new car tyres are tax deductible, why not include driving lessons in the free education system, private lessons are $40/hr. Why not include free petrol for young people as a social benefit, she is even willing to drive public servants around if the government is willing to take 100% equity in her car, and after 3 years of thrashing it the government can trade it in on a better car for her.

Plan B; "Pop would you like to buy a new car for say $8,0000, nothing fancy a little 4 cylinder auto, I will look after it for you."

ps; My granddaughter just got her "Learners" permit.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 5:24:50 AM
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