Gentlemen,

Despite all your protestations against an integrity
commission I am sure that one will be appointed
sooner than later. And we shall have to wait and
see whether it achieves anything or not. I'm
sure that this will be a promise that will be kept
this time - no matter who gets into government.
Because a commission is needed

Integrity underpins every promise made by everyone
vying for government. It makes sure the investments
in jobs actually end up creating jobs. And the
grants being given for a building after floods or
bushfires do go where they are needed, not diverted
into private pockets or spent buying votes for the
sake of votes.

Those of you who can't understand this - well there's
nothing further that can be said to you. "Pearls
before swine..." and all that.

Foxy, just so long as the model is not NSW's ICAC !
It makes its own evidence rules and denies justice.

That terrible NSW ICAC, poor Eddie, Moses and Ian were denied justice, please set them free. Maybe Bazz believes only his side of politics can do no wrong, like Gladys and Daryl.

Foxy,

What you haven't done is provide a justification as to why Morrison's proposal for a Federal ICAC was not sufficient.

Just recall the serious abuse of process by NSW ICAC with Margaret Cunneen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Cunneen

Any federal ICAC needs sufficient powers to pursue their investigations without ruining reputations on the basis of rumour or hearsay. i.e. something between Victoria's relatively toothless IBAC and NSW's ICAC. The judgements of ICAC should also be subject to review by an appellate court.

Secondly, any ICAC can only make judgements where the law is broken not broken promises or dubious morals.

Dear Foxy,

What do you mean by "integrity"?

Suppose someone promises you to cut your throat, will an integrity commission give them the tick if they follow through with their promise?

In your church, if someone jumps into the pool of holy water still holding the priest's corpse which they just strangled, are they considered baptised and their sins forgiven?

A politician is a politician, nothing can change that, they are all evil and it is impossible for anyone, whether or not they divert money into private pockets or vote-buying, to be a politician AND have any integrity!

shadowminister,

The government's initial proposal was light on
both power and resources as I stated on page 1
of this discussion and it was unlikely to weed out
corruption and any serious misconduct. It had
limits on who could report corruption. Limits on
the investigation to criminal offences and the
findings may have remained secret. That's why
Labor did not approve it.