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Have I got this Value of Renewables Wrong
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Posted by Bazz, Friday, 8 April 2022 8:12:30 PM
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Interesting figures Bazz. Often new tech have an inflated view of their value- just watch Sharktank- but yes this does seem extreme. It deserves a bit more research- follow the smoke- sometimes companies value companies based on growth projections- though venture capital discourages this- sometimes they are offering foreign entities an opportunity to enter the Australian market through the back door- in this case the companies price isn't represented by the companies assets. And renewables paint a happy face for many regulators. The public is always behind on the latest con- by definition.
At the small scale there are many cons in the immigration space and an "immigration massively multi-lane fast track slipstream" has often been created in the form of small business. Small immigrant businesses don't really operate as businesses perhaps but as shell entities for immigration- on-selling the businesses to new immigrants in successive iterations- I can imagine that there is a whole unseen consulting industry in places like China and Australian Immigration Consultation to facilitate this con. The left seem to use equal opportunity and anti-prejudice laws as a trap- against conscientious people against leftist policy in bureaucracy- creating an extreme left purity spiral in regulators. I suspect that the left have an organised strategy to infiltrate government using "new laws"- but no one cares mostly because they are afraid to even look- let alone say something. It's amusing to think of the powerful- judges, police, etc as little more than children protecting their lollies- from the overwhelming hordes. As the intelligence community knows everyone can be influenced Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 9 April 2022 12:32:25 PM
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There are communist manuals on the stages of insurgency- it appears that we have reached the third stage in a sense. In a sense Communist insurgency has changed from the French and Russian Revolutions and it seems less violent but it's effects seem to be the same.
Just think- if an attractive person flirts with you- would you flirt back- if they reported the flirting before you- they would seem to be the injured party- and the people attracted to HR may have a particular ideological bent. Yes a lot of this is in the eye of the beholder- but this ambiguity is one reason why such a strategy could be- probably is- so effective. Power struggles involve deception- everyone wants power- are we able to transcend our own nature- for a greater understanding of our own and others limitations. Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 9 April 2022 12:33:22 PM
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Yes Calem, maybe it is just an immigration pathway that maybe
avoids Foreign Investment Commission. However, someone is in the business and finds it, even with the subsidies, not worth holding. If this is so how much more subsidy would be needed ? I thought wind and solar was cheap energy ? Don't tell me, someone has been lying to us ! Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 9 April 2022 5:00:48 PM
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Hello Canem, I looked on ASIC and could not find the company
as CWP Renewables. This is their web site; https://cwprenewables.com/about and I could not find them on the asx either, strange for such an active company. Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 9 April 2022 5:28:25 PM
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Bazz- Interesting.
They have a wiki page... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CWP_Renewables Appears to be backed by Partners Group- private equity firm with US$127 billion in assets under management in private equity, private infrastructure, private real estate and private debt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partners_Group Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 9 April 2022 7:34:23 PM
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The price is suggested at $2B to $3B and its plant produces 2000Mwatt.
That would be name plate rating.
A value of $1B per Gwatt or $1 per watt !
As on usual figures it would average 0.3Gw/hr over a year.
Is this a signal that renewables will never pay for themselves ?
It would be useful to know how much it cost to build.
Is this why renewables get such large subsidies ?