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We obviously live in different worlds.
Foxy,
I'll let other posters with sober observations answer that !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 7 April 2022 7:58:56 PM
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Dear Foxy,

You believe what you believe and I respect that.
I also believe in what I believe.

The question is where are our red lines, how far are we willing to go and what immoral acts are we willing to commit in order to obtain what we believe in.

Your particular belief is in the rule of law.
I have my own list of beliefs, too long to list here.
And a Muslim too, for example, may believe that all women must wear a Burka.
And I respect that too, so long as they do not use violence and abuse to make that happen by hook or by crook.

Having known you for years, Foxy, I am confident that you wouldn't willingly murder or rape for getting your goal of having the rule of law in this country. Your good heart would not allow you to.

But lesser, minor, injuries, I think are not out of the question, what if it's only a verbal abuse, some threatening nudge to bring others to toe the line and support your rule of law?

Where exactly go your red lines, only you can tell.


«For a community or a society to work it needs...»

Wait, just pause here please: what does "to work" mean?
It is shaky to continue here when there is no consensus about it, and I believe there isn't, but for now let's go on anyway:

«...to have a level of structure that applies to everyone and is
understood by everyone. Laws create that structure»

So what exact level is needed? what kind of structure exactly?
Of course we cannot determine this without going back to try and agree what "to work" means.
Nevertheless, cannot such structure, be also constructed and achieve more or less that same
using much less violence and draconic means than what the law-structure that we now have requires?

Anyway, I have burdened you enough today, so I wish you a sweet night.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 7 April 2022 8:11:40 PM
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Paul,
The protest by gun owners was more than 20,000 and it was entirely lawful, and carried out in a calm and peaceful manner.
There was prior liaison with the Police and everything was legal and above board and not even one firearm was carried, even as a token gesture.

As a peaceful, well organised demonstration it stands as a model for lawful demonstration, and it was held on a Sunday so that there was a minimum of disruption and no one was blocked from travelling through Sydney.

Of course, as a legal protest the Greens opposed and deplored it which is in contrast to their support of illegal protests and their opposition to the new laws.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 7 April 2022 8:58:44 PM
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Paul,
Addendum; I wasn’t physically part of the protest, I photographed it from the roof of the Law Courts building as it allowed views of Elizabeth St. and the area in front of Parliament House.
I add that I had permission to be on said roof and to take photos of the march.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 7 April 2022 9:13:58 PM
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You either teach a child the limit to which you can go before breaking a law, or the value of being a responsible citizen and acting with respect. It is either the fear of the Police or the fear of one's own conscience as personal accountability.
Posted by Josephus, Friday, 8 April 2022 9:01:26 AM
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The Law is a limit switch.
Just like a switch, if it's of poor quality it'll let you down when you need it it most !
Posted by individual, Friday, 8 April 2022 9:44:54 AM
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