Dear Foxy,

«That's why we have laws to keep everyone
safe, comfortable, and have a better society.»

We have laws because some people imposed them on us.

The question is, what allowed them to do so?

If your answer is that they had the power to do it,
then there ends the discussion - might is right.

But if you believe that some moral justification is needed for
imposing rules on others, then you need to provide that justification.

So I understand that you want to be safe, that you have a notion of safety and believe
that imposing laws on others achieves that purpose. Well yes, perhaps it does, to some extent anyway.
But could you not achieve that degree of safety even without such drastic measures that hurt others?

Then you also want to be comfortable.
Are you feeling comfortable to live in a society that imposes laws on others
who never even expressed a wish to have anything to do with that society?
Are you also comfortable to live in a neighbourhood of others that are angry and frustrated
about having these laws imposed on them by strangers and completely against their will?

Then you also want to have a better society, and again, is that a better society which rather than
inviting people to join its ranks freely, considers everyone who happens to live on the land
to be its member whether they like it or not?

I just asked you several hard questions and I think that I should stop here
before I really overwhelm you and then again, possibly you could answer
my first question with "Yes indeed, it's their power to do it" and then might is right
and so you do not need to address any of my other questions.

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Just noticed some new additions were made while composing my above response. briefly then:

«If people were allowed to steal and
murder - none of us would be safe.»

Yes of course, but is imposing laws on others the only way to prevent them from stealing and murdering? I think not.

Yuyutsu,

I believe in the rule of law.

We've been over this many times in the past.

In this country people elect their representatives
who make the laws. And the laws are not set in concrete.
They do and have changed over time. We elect the governments
that we want to represent us. If we disapprove of any laws -
we apply pressure to have the laws changed. We also can
change our governments.

I do not wish to argue with you.

Yuyutsu,

For a community or a society to work it needs to have
a level of structure that applies to everyone and is
understood by everyone. Laws create that structure and
regulate the way in which people, organisations and
governments behave.

Having the rule of law limits the powers of governments,
businesses and citizens and protects citizens against the use
of arbitrary power - autocratic decisions not bound on law.

SBS had a doco on the Hong Kong protests this afternoon. These anarchists were shown to be worse than anarchists, they were right-out criminal !
Why the Chinese Govt forces didn't go in more heavy-handed is a mystery !

And you're welcome to not obey the laws and pay the consequences.
I have always obeyed the Law & copped the short end of the stick instead of those who robbed me !
They got free legal aid, I couldn't even engage a lwyer because we don't have any in town !
All these things you mentio would happen if we had no Law are in fact happening with the Law we have !

individual,

We obviously live in different worlds.