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What does Putin want?
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Posted by individual, Thursday, 24 February 2022 3:55:00 PM
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Dear Foxy,
There is much ado about protecting the borders of Ukraine from violation. Very little attention has been given to the origin of those borders. There is a nation state called Ukraine. There are a people called Ukrainians. They are not the same although they are both Slavs. The borders of the national entity called Ukraine were drawn by the USSR with little or no attention to the ethnic composition of the people within those borders. Ukraine was just an administrative unit within the Soviet. When the United Nations was formed the USSR was reluctant to join. To induce the USSR to join the USSR was given three votes in the General Assembly. Stalin designated Ukraine, Belorussia and the rest of the Soviet to hold those three votes. Like many ethnic groups the Ukrainians are scattered throughout Europe mainly in eastern Europe. The mother of my three children is a descendant of Ukrainians who lived in the easternmost part of what was Czechoslovakia. In Ukraine itself there is a mixture of ethnic Russians, ethnic Ukrainians as well as other ethnic groups. Ukraine became an independent nation when the Soviet broke up. There are reports that the Russian forces are entering Ukraine with lists of dissidents and gays to be executed. I doubt the truth of those reports. However, they may be true. However, what is true is that the borders of Ukraine are just the borders of an administrative unit of what used to be the USSR. There is nothing sacred about them. Posted by david f, Thursday, 24 February 2022 4:34:51 PM
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This is taken from Time magazine:
"Putin knows that the West has never really held him really accountable for his past actions. Since 2008, he's invaded Georgia, taken Crimea, occupied Eastern Ukraine, bombed hospitals in Syria, shot down a passenger plane, and hacked governments and businesses around the world." "The West's response? A few sanctions, removed from the G - 8, and the expulsion of a handful of diplomats." "The West's weakness has given Putin the feeling that he can do whatever he wants with hardly any meaningful consequences. The West now appears stuck between further appeasement or a possible military confrontation, for which there is absolutely no appetite." "Since taking power Putin has stolen an enormous amount from the Russian state, from businesses, from private Russian citizens... He is estimated to be the richest man in the world and since 2000 has stolen at least $200 billion for himself, and possibly much more. Putin does not hold any of this money in his own name..." Time magazine suggests how the West can stop Putin. The West should hit Putin where it would hurt Putin the most. Go after his money. An interesting idea. There's more at the following link: http://time.com/6143645/how-to-stop-putin-invastion-ukraine/ It's worth a read. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 February 2022 5:04:43 PM
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Dear David F.,
Ukraine is an independent country and any incursion into an independent country is an invasion no matter what the population mix may be. However, the majority - 77% of those who live in Ukraine identify as ethnically Ukrainian while 17% as Russian. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 February 2022 5:22:45 PM
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I did read a comment that the Ukrain was established by a
Prince dgfhgdsky in the 16th century. Might be worth a bit of search time. Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 24 February 2022 5:31:31 PM
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Here is another link that explains why Ukraine
is important to America and its allies. Why it matters what happens there and why we all should be concerned: http://thehill.com/opinion/national-security-584646-whats-at-risk-in-ukraine-and-why-it-matters-to-america-and-its Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 February 2022 5:46:09 PM
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How much support would our PM or the US president give to that idea ?