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What does Putin want?

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Mikhail Gorbachev once stated:

"Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about
all you hear about Glasnost and Perestroika and
and democracy in the coming years.
They are primarily for outward consumption. There
will be no significant internal changes in the
Soviet Union other than for cosmetic purposes.
Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let
them fall asleep."

The old methods that the Soviet Union applied
in the past did not work. The former occupied
Soviet republics voted with their feet and the
Soviet Union collapsed. Putin is now trying to
re-instate the past.
It's not going to work. Times have changed.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 9:28:15 PM
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Good points ttbn- the quote about Gorbachev was also interesting.
The only ones that will look after the integrity of Anglo-British communities are us Anglo-British- otherwise we will lose our territories our culture our very genetic heritage. Thanks for standing up for us ttbn- Kudos.

We can stand in solidarity with other cultures that want to protect their culture and territories from dissolution.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 24 February 2022 2:26:23 AM
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"Australia will immediately begin placing sanctions on Russian individuals and key entities in relation to the Ukrainian invasion.

The government will also amend the existing sanction regime on Crimea and Sevastopol to include the so-called independent republics of Donetsk and Luhansk."

Invasion? (Rolls eyes)
If there is one, then it hasn't actually happened yet.
Tank crews and troops have already rolled in hours ago, I've seen the footage.

Donetsk and Luhansk declared themselves independent republics in 2014.
And Putin didn't just recognise the areas the separatists currently hold.
He recognised and accepted into Russia the ENTIRE Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

- So now we have this issue where the Ukrainians are actually occupying Russia, (in what was the former Ukraine prior to 2014)
And Putin may just decide he needs the Ukrainians to get out.

He can send tanks into the Ukrainian held areas of Donetsk and Luhansk, and I'm starting to think he may well do so yet.

I probably would to get it done, not just half-done.
But Ukraine has Javelins now though, so some Russian tank crews are likely going to cop it if he does so.

This is the 'invasion':
Putin accepting into Russia the entire Donestsk and Luhansk regions which claimed independence in 2014,
INCLUDING parts that Ukrainians currently occupy.

Will Putin now move to tell Ukraine they have 72 hours to get out?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 24 February 2022 2:57:34 AM
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It could get messy you know.
The West including US, Europe and other Western nations, including us have given military support to Ukraine.

If Putin sends the tanks in to secure the rest of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, Ukrainians are going to defend it using weapons given by US, Europe and the West, which will automatically put US, Europe and the West into a state of war with Russia.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 24 February 2022 3:12:30 AM
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There was a reminder this morning of the Australian connection with Ukraine via the shooting down of Flight MH17. Someone got away with that, too.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 24 February 2022 7:29:53 AM
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I listened to the Prime Minister this morning
and the sanctions that are going to be imposed
on the Russians. He's right - there has to be
consequences on the behaviour of Putin and his
regime. There is no excuse for the invasion
of a sovereign country. The feeble excuse that
they are going in as "peace-keepers," just does
not wash.

The free countries of the world need to stand together
on this and not stand or tolerate this illegal
behaviour.

Putin and his cohorts need to back off!
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 February 2022 8:44:48 AM
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