Sorry Bazz that's not the way SWIFT works.

Sure, if the US moved to remove Russian banks from the SWIFT system, it would make life more difficult for them. Equally, it would make life more difficult for those buying stuff from Russia eg Germany buying Putin's natural gas.

But the idea of them being forced to operate in cash is wrong. They would just have to find outside banks who'd do the transactions for them. Some Chinese banks have already indicated they'd like that business.




All this talk of sanctions doing this and sanctions doing that is so much gumpf. They, sanctions, did precisely nothing when Putin took Crimea. They did nothing when he attacked Georgia. It'll do nothing now because Biden and the kiddies in charge haven't got the balls or inclination to do what needs to be done.

Mike Pompeo spelled it out yesterday. The US should immediately restart all its fracking facilities and pipelines. It should work to close-down the Russian pipelines. It should accelerate the export of fossil fuels to Europe so that Europe wouldn't be dependent on Putin. It should push the price of oil back down to $50 where it was when the adults were in charge. That would be truly devastating for Russia. You know, all the things Trump was doing and the current dill in the White House stopped. But they won't do that because they are owned by the climate cult.

Ponder this. During three of the last four presidencies, Putin has felt empowered enough to make territorial grabs. I'll leave you to work out the odd man out of that sorry bunch.

Russia & China have strong leaders, let's hope America finds one too before long !
The World can not afford only two World powers !

"When Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, rebels backed by President Putin seized big swathes of the east and they have fought Ukraine's army ever since."

Would any of you know-it-alls like to please prove on a basis of merit these accusations of 'invasion'?

Crimea’s return to the Russian Federation was completed in strict compliance with international law as a result of the free expression of will by the residents of the peninsula, when over 96 per cent of the people voted for reunification with Russia.

Crimea Votes Overwhelmingly to Join Russia
http://youtu.be/95-QItX3I5A
This is from the Wall Street Journal,
Who's lying? Can't both be right

Why is that some kind of Jedi mind trick?
Is this the level of global politics now?

We all watched the news 8 years ago.
What are you trying to do just tell lies like no-one on the planet was actually watching the TV or news reports?
When did Russia invade? LIES

So much lies and bs hardly even know where to start with that BBC article.

If they get the 'invade' part wrong, well not much point even bothering trying to set things straight because it would make no difference anyway.
You people talking 'invasion' as opposed to 'right to self-determination' have already lost all sense of yourselves anyway.

Par for the course in 2022

I want you all to tell me how any of this makes sense?

Lets ask some hard questions, shall we?

Those of you who support our 'western democracy' and wish to wage war against these so-called 'autocratic' regimes, Russia, China, North Korea..
The West has run out of easy targets to pick on.
Still struggling with Syria, Iran and Venezuela.

Now it wants to wage war against nuclear powers and permanent members of the UN security council?

How do you all think its going to go?
Who here wants to go to war against Russia and China?
Are you willing to risk the potential outcome of a war against Russia and China for the sake of your beliefs?

If the West wants to wage war against autocratic regimes, then how is it planning to do this?

Should we just declare WWIII now, or should we just keep up with the coloured revolutions?

The West started this, deals were in place and the US went back on all those deals.

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University

The US started this new arms race when it broke the terms of the INF treaty in 2010 putting Tomahawk missiles in Poland and Romania.
http://archive.mid.ru/en/web/guest/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/1428135

"In February 2007, the United States started formal negotiations with Poland and the Czech Republic concerning construction of missile shield installations in those countries for a Ground-Based Midcourse Defense System. However, in April 2007 the Washington Post reported that 57% of Poles opposed the plan. -

Mhaze, I did what I should have done before I wrote that post and
looked it up.
Still depending on where the Swift computer is located, if a government
made it illegal to handle message traffic for Russian banks etc then
it would require a lot of work to setup alternative arrangements.
Even if the Chinese stepped in it has to end up somewhere and that
could be made illegal.
More messy than I envisured but would make things difficult.

- Russia threatened to place short-range nuclear missiles on its borders with NATO, if the United States went ahead with plans to deploy 10 interceptor missiles in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic. In April 2007, then-President Putin warned of a new Cold War if the Americans deployed the shield in Central Europe. Putin also said that Russia was prepared to abandon its obligations under the Nuclear Forces Treaty of 1987 with the United States."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_missile_defense_complex_in_Poland

Since then we've seen NATO expansion, and breaking of the INF treaty, Western coloured revolution in Ukraine
(we can look at the facts there if you like)

What happens when Russia and China accept that war is already being waged against them in this 'war against autocratic regimes', and that they're already justified in a response to Western aggression?

They might attack the West themselves in open warfare first.

Our Western nation lack the moral imperative to fight a war like that.
Look at the world we live in.

China and Russia might not be perfect, but they do care about their own people first; Russia cares about Russians, China cares about the Chinese, where our nation has become so diluted with globalist ideas and full of immigrants that our troops aren't even sure what we're fighting for, and that's why they kill themselves.

We care more about gays and immigrants.

Western nations have been polarised by the exact system we claim to support.
In a 2 horse race, there can only be 2 sides.
The nationalist side (Yes white male)
And the immigrant side.

The democrats take power by combining all the minority groups into one group, big enough to dislodge and ostricise the nationalist, and PMs are installed in our western countries after they've done the globalist course at the WEF.

We don't have democracy and we don't decide anything at all in our country anymore.
Now your all keen to start WWIII over some sense of moral values?
Who here wants a war with Russia and China?
Because maybe if we push hard enough, we just might get one.