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What does Putin want?

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Let's be clear. Although the war on Ukraine is a horrible travesty, Ukraine is not without sin. There was ample opportunity for them to avoid having their cities razed and and their citizens killed. Whatever deal could have been done, nothing could be as bad as what is happening now. But no, the Ukrainian leader, as pigheaded and gungho as Putin is, chose war.

I wonder if ordinary Ukrainians were consulted.

And, all you armchair warriors, with your ridiculous suggestions, should think about how you would like to be involved in a shooting war yourselves. Because that is what is coming if the West doesn't shut up. And, we don't have any land borders to scuttle across to get away.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 11:19:33 AM
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This article suggests that a way should be provided for Putin to get out of the situation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/03/west-save-putin-russia-ukraine/627051/

"The question for world leaders is how to ensure the Russian president is defeated while nevertheless providing him with a route out of the crisis."
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 11:31:43 AM
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Paul,

That's right. Rubbish Bettina Arndt, and reinforce the sex warriors' hypocritical demands for equality for women without any of the obligations. Leave the men to get killed, just like the able-bodied Ukrainian women pissing off to safety.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 11:34:49 AM
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Things which are inviolable and constant are truth and logic.
One cannot change the these, however much one wants to.
Look back in history, and there are many who tried, but inevitably failed.
Unfortunately, they left behind them a trail of death and destruction.
But they failed, so truth survived, and lives on.

The grab for Ukraine is not logical, it is personal.
As usual in such situations, a blind eye is being turned to the suffering of the people under attack.
I feel strongly for those who are too young to defend themselves.
The children are being exposed to far too much horror.
The parents must be distressed, being unable to protect them.

Whilst most of the rest of the world decries this outrage, there is little they can do directly.
They must fight the aggression by peaceful means.
This is a slow process, but over time will succeed?
A possible scenario is that cooler heads in Russia will intervene.
But not immediately.
So everyone watches and waits whilst the conflict rolls on.

It has been said that it is an ill wind which blows no good.
So something good must come out of this?
Which is small comfort to those in the firing line.
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 11:59:50 AM
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Foxy,
No one will remove Putin and for the same reasons that no one removed Stalin.
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 12:12:48 PM
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By now it is pretty clear that Putin's objective was always to invade and subjugate Ukraine. That Ukraine could have avoided this is pure bollocks.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 12:37:19 PM
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