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Posted by david f, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 10:36:51 PM
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The First Casualty Of War Is The Truth
http://tinyurl.com/mvnr79vr I've been trying to tell you all about Ukraine for years. I tried telling you all the US stages revolutions and overthrows. You all should watch the 3 minute video above; Apparently info was taken from Oliver Stones documentary 'Ukraine on Fire' - I have the movie, but never got around to watching it. Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 1:41:03 AM
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Dear Paul1405,
The US has been and is an imperialist power. However, from colonial times the US has been a source of opposing traditions. Sometimes these tradition have influenced things for the better. One of the sources of these opposing traditions is Roger Williams. Roger Williams (c.21 December 1603—between 27 January and 15 March 1683) was a Puritan minister, theologian, and author who founded Providence Plantations, which became the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations and later the U.S. State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, now the State of Rhode Island. He was a staunch advocate for religious freedom, separation of church and state, and fair dealings with Native Americans. Williams was expelled by the Puritan leaders from the Massachusetts Bay Colony and established Providence Plantations in 1636 as a refuge offering what he termed "liberty of conscience." In 1638, he founded the First Baptist Church in America, in Providence. Williams studied the indigenous languages of New England and published the first book-length study of a native North American language in English The US also had an anti-imperialist League in reaction to its imperialism. On June 15, 1898, the Anti-imperialist league formed to fight U.S. annexation of the Philippines, citing a variety of reasons ranging from the economic to the legal to the racial to the moral. It included among its members such notables as Andrew Carnegie, Mark Twain, William James, David Starr Jordan, and Samuel Gompers with George S. Boutwell, former secretary of the Treasury and Massachusetts, as its president. Following the signing of the Treaty of Paris, the league began to decline and eventually disappeared. Although the Anti-imperialist League disappeared its spirit remained and appeared in the League of Nations and the United Nations, international organizations set up with the goal of settling international disputes by peaceful means. With the development of nuclear weapons it is urgent to settle international disputes by peaceful means. At this time the main danger of conflict leading to a nuclear exchange is in the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Posted by david f, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 4:11:05 AM
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Hi David,
Thanks for that. Its my belief that treaties such as ANZUS serve the purpose of the powerful United States over the interests of the subservient, Australia and NZ. The history of military treatises has been to promote war, rather than diminish the possibility. I am not a complete pacifist, I realise the necessity of an Australian home defence capability. The reality is no matter what Australia's military capability is its always going to be limited, as it is for most countries. In my view we would be better served by taking a non aligned stance in world affairs, rather than relying on a military treaty. Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 6:32:24 AM
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David,
Your wide definition that since the US annexed the Philipines 130 years ago makes it still an imperialist power would make just about every country in the world imperialist from the Zulus, the Aztecs, the Russians, the Chinese, the Egyptians etc. Secondly, the claim that the US has been at war for 93% of its existence is to stretch the definition of war to include minor skirmishes such as the blocking of a communist take over in Grenada in 1983 that lasted a few days. The real figure is about 24%. What troubles me is that it seems that you and Pauliar are trying to blame the West for Putin's imperialist attack on Ukraine. Until now the West and NATO have never seriously considered initiating military action against Russia, and most countries that were never considering joining NATO are starting to move that way and existing NATO states are arming themselves to the teeth. While on paper Russia has a massive military force, the reality is that most of its hardware is 40 years old and poorly maintained. Russia has deployed 95% of its standing army in Ukraine and is facing a well trained Ukrainian force that is armed to the teeth with weapons that make close combat costly. It is estimated that Russia has already lost about 4000 soldiers including many senior leaders and 10% of its vehicles in less than 2 weeks. An extended war will wipe out any capability for Russia to fight beyond its borders. Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 10 March 2022 4:13:46 AM
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The US military is deployed in over 150 foreign countries, with more than 170,000 personnel involved.
American imperialism is alive and well in all parts of the world. The "good old days" of British style colonalism useing direct military force to murder and enslave the local inhabitants, along with gunboat diplomacy has been somewhat replaced by economic and political coercion to get "the American way". True SM, if you remove all the American wars with non whites, that's the non-humans in your eyes, you will come up with a figure of 24%. Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 10 March 2022 6:53:11 AM
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Since 1776 America has been at war 93% of the time. It is by far the most aggressive nation on Earth, other nations are right to fear them. Every year of the 21st century America has been involved in a foreign war. America has fought wars on every contingent except Antarctica, the penguins should be careful, America will be done there shortly delivering their wholesome brand of " freedom and democracy" to the poor birds at the point of a gun.
His words remind one of Smedley Butler. Major General Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed "Maverick Marine",[1] was a senior United States Marine Corps officer who fought in the Philippine–American War, the Boxer Rebellion, the Mexican Revolution and World War I. During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, and Central America; the Caribbean during the Banana Wars; and France in World War I. Butler was, at the time of his death, the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. By the end of his career, Butler had received 16 medals, five for heroism. He is one of 19 men to receive the Medal of Honor twice, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal (along with Wendell Neville and David Porter) and the Medal of Honor, and the only Marine to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions.
In his book “War is a Racket” Butler says essentially the same things that Paul1405 said.
Butler’s bio can be found at Smedley Butler - Wikipedia.
His book can be read at War Is A Racket : Major General Smedley Butler : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
A Butler quote:
"War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses."