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What does Putin want?

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ttbn, good argument on your opinion, but not factual.
Posted by Josephus, Sunday, 6 March 2022 4:46:31 AM
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Pauliar,

Your comparison with the US is bollocks again. The only direct comparison would be if the US invaded Canada. Ukraine had no weapons aimed at Russia nor threatened them in any way.

Russia's invasion into the Ukraine was entirely unprovoked. Whatever affection there was between the two countries has now been destroyed with the war crimes Russia is committing. There are now 40 million Ukrainians that hate Russia and are prepared to fight on bitterly.

Every day Russia is losing aircraft, helicopters, tanks, vehicles and men to the meat grinder.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 6 March 2022 4:52:15 AM
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SM,

I was making a point about America's foreign policy, Ukraine is yet another pawn being played in the geopolitical game of chess that America is playing with the rest of the world, Australia included. Do you think the Americans give a rats about the people of Ukraine, they don't care about their own people, let alone Ukrainians. The military/industrial complex that is the US seeks world domination, and look out, those who would oppose them.

Having said that Russia was wrong in invading Ukraine. In an attempt to push back against the US puppet NATO, Russia has inflicted great harm on the Ukrainians. Putin for his part wants to return to some past time of a great Russian empire. Such an ambition can only finish badly for all concerned.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 6 March 2022 5:29:25 AM
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Russia has another dilemma, Its weapons are overwhelmingly from the Soviet era and about 96% of its tanks helicopters and aircraft being used were built prior to 1980, while still very effective in combat are completely vulnerable to the modern missiles and cannot be replaced easily.

Note that the GDP of Russia today is about 50% bigger than that of Australia and when:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eg7_G1rhVA

The cost of a modern replacement is about $100m and the Russians have in 10 days lost about 40. Do the maths. This doesn't include the aircraft, the tanks, personnel carriers etc that have been largely sitting ducks that with the rains the mud keeps the vehicles on the road leaving the countryside in the control of the Ukrainians.

Considering that nearly everything that comes out of Putin's mouth is a lie from not having any intention to invade to targeting military targets only, only a moron would take his word.

If Putin wants to stop his neighbours from joining NATO, he has done exactly the opposite.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 6 March 2022 7:25:27 AM
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Josephus,

Everything said about Morrison is fact. You are just a rusted-on Liberal voter in denial of the facts.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 6 March 2022 8:14:57 AM
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Had Donald Trump still been US president, Ukraine would not have been invaded. The US under the current poor confused fool is no threat to anyone, nor is it any help to anyone. The appalling spur of the moment desertion of Afghanistan, with billions of dollars worth of equipment and military know how (for China) was the the last straw. Communist China has now seen enough to get ready to take Taiwan any time it chooses - if it so chooses - with probably the only resistance coming from the Taiwanese themselves. The "experts" have decided that Australia cannot defend itself, so we can't afford to get involved, particularly as we don’t even recognise Taiwan, any more than the US does. And, I don’t any longer believe that Australia can rely on the US to help protect us from China; nor do I believe that we can rely on Morrison and his progressive pansies.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 6 March 2022 8:37:46 AM
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