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Anti-Semitism In Australia

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In history Jews, Muslims and in some contexts, Catholics, were looked down upon by WASPs and/or European protestants; pre 20thC there were not too many issues in the Middle East between communities e.g. under the Ottomans.

A late uncle (Scottish Catholic mum) joked a decade ago that nowadays Catholics and Jews are honorary WASPs in Australia, but inspired by political purposes and expanding the franchise.

Issue for Jews, Catholics and Muslims had been the 20thC nation socialist states which were secular, but the dominant religion had privileges e.g. Sunni Islam in Turkey (vs. local Alevi). Added to that had been the influence of the anti-semitic hoax 'The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion' which was distributed throughout the Middle East pre/post WWII, apparently from Egypt secret services.

Fast forward, former Israeli PM Netanyahu recommended GOP trained pollsters and electoral consultants, Finkelstein and Birnbaum, to Hungarian PM Orban to cook up the Soros conspiracy for electoral victory.

Not only has it too been spread widely and supports the 'great replacement', it gives voters a bob each way i.e. if Christian, it allows kicking down or dog whistling Jews and/or Muslims.
Posted by Andras Smith, Thursday, 3 February 2022 1:43:00 AM
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Foxy,

Accusing Israel of apartheid and or genocide is by definition anti-semitic and childish as today's millennials calling conservatives fascists.

Secondly, it is clear that you have no concept of what constitutes a war crime and could care less about the actual war crimes committed by the Palestinians.

While attacking civilians is a war crime, striking back at armed combatants within civilian areas is not. Similarly, deliberately launching attacks from heavily occupied civilian areas is a war crime.

Finally, stating that all the areas captured in 67 Palestinian lands is mendacious as pre-1948 many Jews lived in these areas and were ethnically cleansed by the Arabs living there with many synagogues torn down.

When Hamas and Fatah stop deliberately targeting civilians then they can legitimately call on the outside world for protection.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 3 February 2022 9:20:06 AM
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shadow minister,

Objections to Israeli domestic policies, settlements,
occupation, or treatment of the Palestinians are
political positions, not anti semitic slurs. Israel
should be subject to the same critiques as other
nations. We do not need the weaponization of the definition
of anti semitism.

Kindly do not corrupt the critical conversation about
the Jewish state and its conduct.

There is the inescapable fact that Israel has held
Palestinians and their land under occupation for more than
60 years and that successive governments continue to
facilitate Jewish settlements and enact laws that reduce the
Arabic language and Palestinian history to 2nd class status.

Its critics rightly argue the Israeli government should be
held accountable for its policies and decisions.

The violence between Israelis and Palestinians is often
presented as a conflict between equal sides with irreconcilable
claims to one piece of land.

In reality it is a conflict over territory between a nation-state,
Israel, with one of the world's most powerful and well-funded
militaries, and an indigenous population of Palestinians that
has been occupied, displaced, and exiled for decades.
The Palestinian death toll far outweighs that of the Israelis.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 3 February 2022 9:36:32 AM
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What about Whoopi Goldberg? I cannot stand the woman, but she seemed to voice the view - held by many people - that Jewishness is a religion and not a race. She said something about white people killing other white people in response to a genuine racist who brought up the old 'white supremacy' slur.

Arabs are also Semitic, but Hitler thought well of Islam, and accepted a leading Imam's advice on how to deal with the 'Jewish question'.

Many of the Negroid race in Africa are jews. If they are discriminated against, is it because of their race or their religion?
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 3 February 2022 10:31:48 AM
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Foxy,

Yes "Objections to Israeli domestic policies, settlements, occupation or treatment of the Palestinians are political positions" however, those that focus on these issues while deliberately turning a blind eye to the atrocities committed by Hamas and Fatah against Israeli citizens and against each other are invariably deeply antisemitic.

The critical conversation about the Jewish state and its conduct is already deeply corrupted. That Hamas still calls for the complete destruction of Israel seems to pass most of these racists by.

That Israel has a powerful army is due to the 3 times that far more populous and well-armed Arab neighbours have tried to wipe out Israel and many of them are technically still at war with Israel.

That the conflicts that cost so many Palestinian lives are invariably started by the Palestinians is because the Israeli's are skilled in defending themselves. It still doesn't seem to stop the Palestinians from starting the next fight that they will lose.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 3 February 2022 11:26:57 AM
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Whoopi Goldberg's remarks are surprising to say
the least. It just goes to show how some Americans
know so little about the Holocaust.

The Holocaust was about the Nazi's systematic annihilation
of the Jewish people - who they deemed to be an inferior
race. They dehumanized them and used this racist propaganda
to justify slaughtering 6 million Jews.

Racism was central to Nazi ideology. Jews were not defined by
religion, but by race. Nazi racist beliefs fueled genocide
and mass murder. Nazis regarded Jews as "parasitic vermin"
worthy only of eradication. They implemented genocide on an
unprecedented scale.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 3 February 2022 11:39:28 AM
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