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Anti-Semitism In Australia

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Thanks for your reply mhaze.

Re Israel- Overall I believe in the existence of Israel and it's religious ethnical segregational nature because it's in the Wests (inc European), Jewish, and probably the worlds interest.

Most arguments have multiple sides- segregational vs multicultural- of course there are subtleties to both sides. For example segregational and multicultural doesn't always mean what you think it does- with arguments based on strawman. Perhaps these could be considered relative positions at particular points in time. All cultures have considered this argument at different times. For example "Gyms for Females" are segregational.

Anti-Semitism

1. The word and those that use the word 'anti-semitism' could be considered as 'racist' as it implies a 'dis' against against a particular group (Hebrew's) being somehow worse than a 'dis' against another racial group (for example my bias Anglo-British).

2. Also using the term 'racist' implies that a racial attack is somehow worse than another form of prejudice/ bigotry- such as ideological prejudice- ubiquitous for example within terrifying Communism. Therefore using the word 'racist' and those that use the word 'racist' is/ are bigots.

3. One person's rights don't begin where another's end. This implies potential conflicts of rights where both are valid- it may be impossible to come to a compromise- because the positions are essentially incompatible or otherwise- resolving a stalemate can be achieved by changing the domain. One way to do this is by accusing the other party of some fault- according to some arbitrary moral framework (such as the concept of anti-semitism)- often one that they didn't agree to- eg. an accusation of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. 'Pariah status' denies common rights. Defense of charges is proof of the accusation. Often it appears in the sick 'modern regime' that in a 'diad' the first to make an accusation dominates- this seemingly creates an 'accusation rich' regime- creating a toxic feedback loop.

I believe that the hollowing out of traditional hierarchical structures results in greater relative tyranny.

There are human paradoxes here that can only be resolved with subtlety.

Equality politics creates a different tyranny.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 1:46:21 AM
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The danger of seeking difference is the trap of novelty- some discernment/ distinction is necessary- some things are more different than others- some novelty is dangerous- identity is also important- principles are important- novelty is infinite- comfort and stability vs fear and unknown.

Some use the accusation of "fear of the unknown" to get their way- of course everyone is afraid of the unknown- it's an accusation that one cannot avoid- and you wouldn't want not to be afraid of the unknown. Everyone has their choice on which unknowns they feed on.

It relies on the instinct of people to dispute an accusation- to create confusion as in an ambush- to devastating effect- and testament to the bad faith dishonesty of the accuser.

It's a measure of wisdom to understand the benefits of both the familiar and exploration.

There are those always in others pockets rather than putting them in their own... (some people here won't understand this comment).
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 2:08:45 AM
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David F said- "We can learn to live with people who think differently."

Answer- I would ask "Can you learn not to live with people who think differently from you?"

That would also be "thinking differently"! If "thinking differently" is the goal we should aspire to.

People only want you to "think differently" if they want something from you.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 2:14:45 AM
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Foxy,

It is antisemitic to criticise the actions Israel takes in self-defence while completely ignoring the atrocities and aggression by Palestinians that engender Israel's need to defend itself.

Both Hamas and Fatah representing the Palestinians pay youths to murder Jewish civilians and subsidise the families of those killed trying to do so.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 4:39:03 AM
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shadow minister,

So in your opinion - Israel's policies and actions
against the Palestinians is "self-defence," whereas
those of the Palestinians in trying to protect their
rights you consider as - " murder?"

As stated earlier - the reality is - it's a conflict
over territory between a nation-state, Israel, with
one of the world's most powerful and well-funded
militaries, and an indigenous population of Palestinians
that has been occupied, displaced, and exiled for decades.

Read the following link:

http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/israeli-palestinian-conflict-101/
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 8:48:50 AM
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shadow minister,

There is a growing trend to equate criticism of Israeli
state policies with antisemitism. It appears to be an
intent on silencing critics of Israel than halting
antisemitic threats.

Israel should be subject to the same critiques as other
nations. We don't need the weaponization of the
definition of antisemitism.

We can oppose the policies of the UK, US, France, China,
North Korea, Russia, or Saudi Arabia. We can oppose the
actions of the Israeli government. Doing so does not
make us bigots.

Objections to Israeli domestic policies, settlements,
occupation, or treatment of the Palestinians are political
positions, not antisemitic slurs. And criticizing the
Jewish state is not anti-Jewish. In fact it happens all
the time in Israel itself and among Jews everywhere.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 8:59:45 AM
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