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Anti-Semitism In Australia

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Foxy,

At what point do you call a man randomly stabbing civilians self-defence?

Is driving a vehicle into a crowd self-defence?

Is deliberately firing rockets into civilian areas self-defence?

Firing the same rockets from populated civilian areas using the civilians as a human shield is a war crime. Israel attacking the same areas from which the rockets have been fired is not.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 10:06:36 AM
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shadow minister,

Repeated military attacks, assaults on Gaza - a highly
populated area, qualifies not as "self-defence" but
as war crimes
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 12:20:07 PM
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Foxy said- "Objections to Israeli domestic policies, settlements,
occupation, or treatment of the Palestinians are political
positions, not antisemitic slurs. And criticizing the
Jewish state is not anti-Jewish. In fact it happens all
the time in Israel itself and among Jews everywhere."

Answer-

Everyone is prejudiced- people shouldn't necessarily aim to be free from prejudice. You would die if you didn't look after your own interest.

Some Jews will see criticism of Israel (or the Jewish diaspora) as anti-semitic (or biased)- that's fine- it may even be true- but if Israel is acting in a way that I believe is against my interest I'm going to stand up for my interest- even if "they" call me racist- even if I am acting racist. You can be acting racist and looking after your valid interest at the same time. It's important to remember that they are probably almost certainly acting racist (or biased) too.

Most people understand that some level of compromise is necessary in negotiations- I believe that in some contexts the Hebrew diaspora needs to make more compromises and concession points.

Foxy appears to make a distinction between criticism Israel Government verses criticism of the Hebrew diaspora- the subtle implication that criticism of the diaspora is out of bounds. All diaspora have cultures some of these cultures conflict with other cultures- it's ok to fight for your own cultures interest in a conflict.

Foxy also implies that internal Hebrew diaspora criticism is different than criticism external to the diaspora
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 12:24:54 PM
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There is the inescapable fact that Israel has
held Palestinians and their land under occupation
for more than 60 years, and that successive
governments continue to facilitate Jewish settlements
and enact laws that reduce the Arabic language and
Palestinian history to 2nd class status.

It's critics rightly argue the Israeli government should
be held accountable for its policies, decisions and
actions.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 1:07:16 PM
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The well respected Amnesty International has said Israel's actions against the Palestinian people amounts to "apartheid", which is considered a crime against humanity by the international community.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 3:47:01 PM
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Dear Paul,

Not only Amnesty International but the Human Rights
Watch has stated that Israel's policies towards the
Palestinian people could constitute a form of
genocide.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 3:59:53 PM
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