After months of lock downs, cops belting up little old ladies, dictator Dan chucking his weight around, people forced get the jab or the sack, Victoria, has hit 70%.

So now with the highest local infection rate ever in Oz the Victorian lockdown is over.

Obviously Dan went too far when he took on the builders labourers, & has been sat on. Now the ineffectual vaccines are showing their worth, but Dan will still enforce them. Just watch the infection rate sore, vaccine or no vaccine.

It would be just so funny if it weren't for the bankruptcies, lost careers & the destroyed lives. There won't be many kids named Dan for a while. Who wants to christen their kid with a dirty word.

Hassy, nothing to say about New South Wales fiasco, or Morrisons shambolic vaccine roll-out. How about a word on the outstanding job done by the Palaszczuk government in controlling the virus in Queensland. Hummm, Nothing to see there.

I've given up wearing the mask and I don't care what anyone says.
They'll get a effing mouthful if they dare say anything to me.
I never had Covid or Delta, never even had a Covid test, and never claimed a single cent extra in emergency payments due to imposed lockdowns.

I made concessions for governments failures of quarantine;

But now they tell me we're going with the 'Living with Covid' model.

400 Billion dollars debt, untold lives ruined and were just all going to ignore the virus now like it never existed in the first place.
- But they won't be taking any of these new powers to discriminate at will away will they, no.

Covid will spread to every city, and every town, they say.

In Queensland, this a policy to deliberately infect every person in my state.
So you can now formally shove your masks wherever they may fit.
We didn't even need to wear them up here in the first bloody place.

Technically I should be wearing it more now than ever, but I've now resigned myself to the fact that its government policy to curatil my rights, send the nation broke and now deliberately infect me with a virus of foreign origin.

- I'm just going to go with it

They refuse to give me access to other medications that might help me survive a covid infection, claiming I have some kind of choice.

- Like there's no coercion whatsoever.

Their idea of me having a choice is my idea of their deathwish upon me.

And anyone who doesn't go along with the new norms WILL be purged from government, purged from employments and purged from having a say;
PURGED FROM SOCIETY

As the only ones who'll remain are the ones who went along with it.

This country's haddit.

A question heard last night: if Victoria can open up on a day when there were over a thousand 'new cases', why did they shut down a few months ago when there were only 8 cases.

Possibly because more Victorians are being vaccinated
and are obeying the rules for the sake of themselves,
their families and the community and are now close to
having reached full vaccination. Also not everything
is opening up in Victoria. Not yet. But Victorians
are on target with the Premier's "road map."

Dear Hasbeen,

You really do present as thick so bloody often.

We have moved to the transition phase now. It is not the infection rate that was the main concern now but the impact on hospitals.

My local Shire has a 96% first dose rate and a 78% second dose.

The major hospital near us has shelved all elective surgery until Christmas and directed staff to take leave before the surge in cases.

That surge is already coming from selfish buffoons who haven't vaccinated due to bloody mindedness and only 7% of those entering hospital are double vaxxed.

At your age there is about a 1-6 chance of you dying but more importantly a 63% chance you will end up in hospital and a 21% you will require an ICU bed. Your length of occupation of that bed will be between 8 and 13 days on average.

The decision of you and others of your ilk means people in the community, a significant number of them is high levels of pain, are having to wait so to cater for your selfishness.

I hope you are proud of yourself.

ttbn in a word VACCINE! and VCCINE LEVELS. If you look at the infection rates, hospitalisations and deaths, its now evident this is the pandemic of the UNVACCINATED.

Billions wasted in leaky vaccines, when the right answer was a cheep Ivermectin pill.

Paul1405 said- "ttbn in a word VACCINE! and VCCINE LEVELS. If you look at the infection rates, hospitalisations and deaths, its now evident this is the pandemic of the UNVACCINATED."

Answer- The information on the deaths from what I've seen didn't show whether the dead were vaccinated or not- maybe there's something they're not telling us- maybe it's a privacy thing- may I haven't been looking at enough data.

The facts are: while vaccinations have increased, increased infections have been reported daily. While Victorians have been lockdowned, increased infections have been reported daily. Nothing that nitwit Andrews has done has been beneficial. It's all hit and miss with the failed state of Victoria. And it's impossible to feel empathy for poor, silly Victorians who keep trying to defend the indefensible. They deserve Andrew's totalitarianism.

CM, you need to read more, the figures are there.

Dear Hasbeen,

I agree with what you said:

The people of Victoria are now so fed up with that sadist dictator that they even stopped caring for their own health, hence the numbers.

It was not about the specific public-health measures that were mostly necessary and justified, but about the attitude in the way they were delivered.

«Now the ineffectual vaccines are showing their worth, but Dan will still enforce them. Just watch the infection rate sore, vaccine or no vaccine.»

Not completely ineffectual, they are far better than nothing, but still limited and statistical in nature.

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Dear SteeleRedux,

«It is not the infection rate that was the main concern now but the impact on hospitals.»

WHOSE concern?

Certainly not of the ordinary person in the street, or rather in their homes. Ordinary people still care very much not to be infected, it is government which now shows its true colours, that it never cared for real people, only for their "economy" so they continue to receive taxes.

Having seen their coffers dwindle, they now raised the white flag surrendering to the virus, using vaccines as an excuse, abandoning the ordinary people, most of whom will now choose to remain at home for months if not years to come, despite being "allowed out".

As you said, elective surgery is also off the table, probably for much longer than Christmas, ordinary people will continue to live (and die) in pain indefinitely. In Victoria however, someone at the top actually enjoys to see it.

Hi Yuyutsu,

What the vaccines offer is lower infection rates with less sever symptoms and therefore reduced hospitalisations, ICU and deaths. Its clear now that the unvaccinated are much more likely to need hospitalisation and intensive care than the vaccinated. The problem arises when the hospital system is overwhelmed with sick unvaccinated people, other non related patients miss out on attention and their lives are put at a higher risk, all because selfish people refused to get vaccinated.

If the vaccines offered 100% protection, and it was offered to all who wanted it, and if only the non-vaccinated contracted the disease, and 100% of those dropped down dead immediately, therefore not requiring hospitalisation, only an undertaker, things would be fine....for the vaccinated.

1,461 covid infections and 14 deaths reported in Victoria this morning. The most draconian loss of freedoms equals most infections and deaths.

Dear Paul,

«What the vaccines offer is lower infection rates with less sever symptoms and therefore reduced hospitalisations, ICU and deaths.»

Most important of these is the lowering of infection rates, thus vaccines can and should be used to stop the virus, then who would care about hospitalisation, ICU or death rates any more?

http://www.justice4all.org/wp-content/uploads/The%20Ambulance%20Down%20In%20The%20Valley.pdf

Only eliminating the virus can ensure that we won't have even more terrible variants down the line which could defy any vaccine.

When the vast majority is vaccinated, the <R>eproduction factor goes well below 1, thus only a brief lockdown is needed to get rid of the virus, then a good quarantine system can keep it out indefinitely.

The problem is that government only cares about their coffers, their "economy", not about us and our health. First they grabbed a monopoly to rob us of our freedom to defend ourselves and our ability to take care ourselves of our own health, then now they are forsaking us without sufficient protection at all.

«Its clear now that the unvaccinated are much more likely to need hospitalisation and intensive care than the vaccinated.»

While some may WANT it, nobody NEEDS hospitalisation: we lived and died for millions of years without hospitals!

How (if at all) we take care of our health, should be our private matter, as long as we do not infect others [except if they are happily willing to be infected by us]. As one of our private options, we should be able to obtain and use any vaccines, as much and as many as we want, from any source, also we should never be forced to inform government which vaccines we took and when.

Dear Yuyutsu,

Sorry but that is just bunkum.

Andrews fought the very long fight to keep Victoria and by extension the rest of Australia free from Covid.

The length of the lockdown and the incessant undermining by the Murdoch press meant appropriate behaviours, which might have done the job, were disregarded by a small minority which was unfortunately enough to make bringing this back under control impossible.

The plan B has had to centre around getting as many people vaccinated as possible and by giving a date and the opportunity for all Victorians to get vaccinated Andrews is doing just that. The mandates are part of that plan.

I am pretty sure he knows this is likely to lose him the next election but he is moving ahead anyway.

While some of his messaging has been off and his actions over the last 6 months could have been better handled, most Victorians I know who have a half way decent take give him a fair bit of credit.

Talking about 'elimination' is pretty daft when we still have the common cold and influenza - although Covid seems to have wiped out influenza, unless people diagnosed with Covid really have the 'flu; not impossible, give the almighty stuff up the "experts" and "leaders" have made of Covid, with a bunch of fat women sticking cotton buds up people's noses through car windows. Lord only knows what happens where these swabs are tested.

Dear SteeleRedux,

So we agree that one way or the other, Andrews "managed" to alienate the Victorian people.

While people in other states constantly asked themselves: "what more can I do to stop this virus?", Victorians were asking instead: "how can I defy and survive this tyrant?". The result is in the numbers.

Have you read the episode of The King in "The Little Prince" by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry?
http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince/framechapter10.html

When we still had no vaccines, the king ordered: "you may not be vaccinated",
then as vaccines became available, he ordered: "you must get vaccinated", and with great pleasure he watched how people "obeyed" him.

This idiot believes that people get vaccinated because of him, his orders, not because of the virus, not realising that people get vaccinated DESPITE him, while others who originally eagerly wanted to be vaccinated have failed to do so because they are no longer willing to be perceived as groveling losers. Great job, king of asteroid #325.

ttbn,
>Talking about 'elimination' is pretty daft when we still have the common cold and influenza
If everyone with a common cold were quarantined, we probably could eliminate it - it's just that the effects of the common cold are so mild and transitory that the costs would dwarf the benefits.

Unfortunately influenza can't be completely eliminated because it's endemic in birds and keeps jumping species.

But Covid19 is serious enough to be worth eliminating, and it can be eliminated (it affects humans and tigers, but not much else). It's a great pity the world wasn't able to quarantine like Australia and NZ were, as that would have solved the problem without having to rely on vaccines.

ttbn, you rave on about Dan Andrews, but say nothing about the massive failure of the Berejiklian mob in NSW, the very people who released and spread the GLADYS VIRUS into Victoria, ACT, New Zealand and elsewhere. Do you recall the shambles of "Mr Limo Driver", the failure of the NSW Un-Healthy Minister The Hazard. NSW has just passed the milestone of murdering 500 of its citizens from the GLADYS VIRUS. Noting to say?

The real end-game here....

"Victorian Premier given power to declare lockdown for three months under proposed pandemic laws"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-25/victorian-premier-parliament-lockdown-pandemic-covid/100567664

You thought they were gunna return those freedoms they stole and that you anxiously gave away? Yeah well, not gunna happen.

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Just for a bit of fun and as an education as to the moronosity of those scared silly by the propaganda....

on 24/8/21 SR wrote: "The NSW deaths from Covid will inevitably be in their thousands by the end of October".

Actual number of deaths overall - 558. Actual deaths since delta arrived - 502.

So SR was wrong by at least 400% which for him is pretty good.

YuyutsuIf the government actually cared about it's coffers as you say, they would have used the cheep Ivomectin which saved India & Indonesia, for pennies a pill, rather than thousands a dose so called vaccines. Now it looks like it will be an on going twice a year shot, rather than a proper 2 shot cure.

They still make it a major effort to get the totally proven best treatment, the Ivemectin pill. Something is very rotten in the behavior of all governments in this whole catastrophe, when they are now promoting the new $1000 each PATENT ABLE version of the old 10c pill.

Hassy, still banging on with that fraud about Ivomectin, you old Trumpster you!

What are you Hassy, 85? Un-vaccinated? underlying health issues? A ticking time bomb, with Covid just around the corner, I hope you see in the new year, with a toast of Ivomectin, you old Trumpster you!

You just need to look at the polls wrt Covid. Comrade Dan is the only one to sink to negative approval ratings.

This hypocritical tyrant is now opening up Victoria with 2000 odd infections per day. Has he got new scientists to advise him or is it just that his permanent lockdown is becoming electoral poison?

Dan's lockdown was more to garner the popularity of the "electoral protection" than Victorians' safety, but this Fwit has finally overplayed his hand.

Victoria records deadliest day, 25 dead.
- We've moved on to Phase 2 of the 4 Phase Death Plan.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9594#324257

Don't you mean death Dan?

SM

A number of LIBERAL Primers of NSW including Askin, Greiner and O'Farrell had been very popular with the voters, until the wheels fell off and they were shown to be CORRUPT. Given the mounting evidence before the ICAC, it looks like Berejiklian could well join the parade.

Nothing to say about the total incomperdence in NSW which resulted in the GLADYS VIRUS going viral throughout the country? Over 500 dead in that state alone. A disgraceful failure of public health by BEREJIKLIAN and the Un-Healthy Minister HAZZARD.

Paul,

Once again you have posted complete bullsh1t and defamation.

None of the above was charged with corruption or any other crime unlike two prominent greens.

Secondly, incomperdence is not a real word.

Thirdly, with respect to covid Gladys outperformed Dan by any measure.

SM,

Robin Askin was an out and out criminal, taking payoffs in brown paper bags from Sydney gangland figures like Abe Saffron and others in organised crime.

As you know all about this stuff Paul, can we assume you were the delivery boy for those paper bags?

Nah Hassy, maybe you were driving the getaway car at 180 mph.

Paul,

Do you have one iota of evidence or are you just lying again.