It has been observed that Anthony Albanese had a victory over the weekend at NSW’s Labor conference by defeating the loony Left, who opposed border protection and Israel, as usual. A step towards making Labor more electable.

The observer suggests that Scott Morrison should also rein in the dominance of his own Left faction.

Leave the nutty stuff to the Greens, please.

Has the right faction gone suddenly quiet.
Is that even possible.

Is Barnaby Joyce suddenly supporting Morrison?

Thanks ttbn.

AND... the really nutty stuff from the likes of Corny Banana, Fat Clive and the Lovely Pauline. Come off it ttbn, the conservatives are unwanted by the electorate, Abbott was booted from his seat. The loony right led in part by the so called Australian Conservative Party was utterly rejected at the last election, what was it ttbn, your mob, half a percent of the vote.

It's people like you who called universal heath cover (Medicare) nutty stuff in the past, according to you any progressive change is nutty stuff. At the same time you support utter nutty stuff like spending hundreds of billions on useless nutty stuff like nuke submarines etc.

CM,

The two usual ratbags, always on the defensive when 'left' is mentioned, are the sort of people the two major parties can certainly do without. One unashamedly identifies as a Green, which puts him well outside the mainstream and harmless; the other one, who knows. Not sure that she could manage a formal vote for any candidate.

ttbn, how far outside mainstream can you get. YOU freely admitted to joining a far right fascists political party that thankfully scored a miniscule half a percent of the popular vote. AND you think Foxy and myself are left extremists, hummmm!

Who are you with now, the nutters of One Nation, or the crazy Palmer Party?

Hi Paul,

ttbn doesn't seem to know that it is entirely
possible to disagree with both self-proclaimed
nationalists and those deemed anti-nationalists.
Both right-wing and left-wing hardcores. Both
ultra-religious people and atheists. Both
multiculturalists and anti-multiculturalists.
Both pro-immigrationists and anti-immigrationists.

It's called "thinking for yourself." It gives you
an identity. It is a highly pleasurable experience.
It involves getting involved with people with
different viewpoints.

Perhaps it would do him good to try it.

Yes they do seem to ttbn.

Foxy is trying to present herself in the moderate position- I've learned there is a fallacy in this position in that it seems to be defined by the noisy extreme.

Positions that were considered moderate in the times of our grand parents are now defined as extreme.

The masses seem to adopt what they see as a middle position for safety and to avoid conflict- but this position isn't safe because it's defined by the noisiest extremists. If what "the masses" see- through the media favours a left position- and all that "the masses" read and watch is the media and movies created by the same people- then "the masses" will adopt a leftist view. It isn't only news media but also the unrealistic situations and morals "acted out" in sitcoms and movies will be normalised in the minds of the masses.

This is why totalitarian communists always seek to control the eye balls of the masses. Control their eyes- control their minds- control their lives.

Sigmund Freud's nephew Edward Bernays famously brought consumer culture from Germany to the US by using the science of psychology against society rather than in the service of society. Little wonder that society is showing signs of sickness.

This feature of politics has been studied under the term of the "Overton Window"- it's been recognised that politics has moved far from our grand parents times- this is not in our interest.

Perhaps a safer position is to adopt the position that their grand parents and ancestors would have held- at least in private- if they don't want to research the real issues- and to say to communist sea lions that they don't discuss politics- if pushed. To do otherwise is to put your family at risk.

Russian dissident Yuri Bezmenov says (paraphrasing) "propaganda can only effect you if you let in foreign ideas"- this doesn't mean that you don't change as a community- but it changes to the communities internal needs- and to keep the community together

Communism isn't about equality it's about power- they don't believe in separation of powers- don't believe in the Westminster System- don't give them your power.

Everybody needs to re-evaluate their own leftism by exposing themselves to other views before it's too late.

Main stream parties and all leaders must cull their left factions to regain trust with the masses- leadership is about trust.

Don't let yourself get sucked "down the memory hole".

"Those that control the present- control the past- control the future." Orwell.

CM, you have declared on this forum that I am a Communist, I perceive myself as a moderate progressive socialist willing to accommodate reform in a liberal democracy, the label is unimportant. I find these left/right labels, blame the French for that, as mostly meaningless. You seem to be one who puts great store in labelling others, do you have a label for yourself? Do you see yourself as a counter to the "far left", someone from the "far right" maybe? Are you beyond all that, and simply see yourself as an intellectual observer above all that humdrum political nonsense conducted by the riff-raff below.

Hi Paul,

"Blind allegiance to conventional beliefs about
right and wrong. Respect for submission to
acknowledged authority. Belief in aggression towards
those who do not subscribe to conventional thinking or who
are different..."

The following links explain further:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_personality

http://psychologistworld.com/influence-personality/authoritative-personality

Remind you of anyone?

CM,

Let's forget these two stalkers and far Left apparatchiks, and move on to another group that needs to cull its Leftists: the Royal Family, whose next leader is so privileged that he can promote all sorts of rubbish that will never affect him. His son, William, seems to be something similar.

Both of these embarrassments to the throne will be waffling on with climate politics at Cop 26 next month. A very short time ago, nobody would have believed that members of the Royal Family would enter the sordid world of politics. These chinless wonders are surely working for the republican movement! They will still have their billions if they are tipped out.

Or, perhaps Charles sees the decline of democracy taking things back a couple of centuries to when the King's word was law. Whoever has wound up this ageing idiot has forgotten that the modern monarchy has been tolerated because of his gracious mother and because the institution has remained 'seen but not heard'.

I don't agree. All people have a right to support certain policy preferences.

Easy days for Australia are over. Major parties need to take account of many issues and many voters with eclectic policy preferences.

The right will find it much harder to get their way in Australia as compared to the US where there are so many more cleavages within society.

Chris,

You don't make it clear what it is you don't agree with.

The right will find it harder? I won't waste time asking 'what right', but although the so-called conservatives have been in government for much more time than Labor, the Left has always had the power; certainly since the demise of John Howard's government.

ttbn, for example, greenhouse gas emissions. The reality is the coalition cannot win if rejects the concerns of a lot of city liberal voters who expect much more to be done on the issue.

When I say right, I am merely saying less government intervention. It is not meant to be a critical term

Chris

So when you say, "All people have a right to support certain policy preferences", you didn't mean Prince Charles, who does not pass as "all people". He should give thought to the first king of his name, who came to an unfortunate (for him) end. If he does take the thrown he might very well be the last monarch. Not that I wish him harm - there are ways to go about such things - but republicanism exists in the UK, and there is little hope of the love and respect for the Queen being transferred to him. I don't know if he has lost his marbles already, but he was heard last night saying that his Aston Martin runs on cheese and wine,

Not going along with the climate con might very well lose the election for the Coalition, and going along with it might, too. Most voters don't express their views in polls and online. From my own point of view, if Morrison falls for it - goes populist - he deserves to lose.

I have to agree with you Paul1405, when it comes to 'nutty stuff' having the right to build Nuclear Submarines in Adelaide is indeed nutty stuff. We need these Subs NOW, not years down the track when our potential enemy will be far more (underwater warfare) advanced than us.

I have this good mate of mine who's just taken discharge from the Navy, and he was a Lieutenant (Submariner) prior to his separation from the service. And he reckons that the Australian Government's mantra is always to play 'catchup' when it comes to Subs. and their latest technology.

Apparently there are over two dozen mothballed Nuclear Subs. moored in San Diego that Oz could quite easily lease from a more than willing United States Government? According to him these Subs. are both seaworthy, and up to warfare ready, but does Australian Submariners have sufficient training to crew such formidable vessels?

I was never in the Navy so I really wouldn't know. My information comes from a close friend, and he did fifteen years as a Commissioned Officer in the RAN with nearly half of it, in Collins Class Submarines.

I suppose what I meant is that no major party in Australia can afford to alienate city vote, that is why they do not.

Federal Treasurer was talking up greenhouse response the other day; need to reduce emissions by 2050 because of market demand.

whether a policy is driven by the left or not, politics and markets will go with that trend if enough people share the view.

The way things will go seems likely that as the population is convinced
that global warming is real and the schools are inserting onto the
scene every year a tranche of 18 year olds, brainwashed ready and keen to vote,
any party must go along with the legend or be damned to obscurity.
There is one hope, if they can convince the mob that they believe
in the almighty CO2 god, but can step up when the crunch comes with
an energy plan that will rescue us all from the disaster.

The alternative is if the iridescent greens try to ride through the
energy collapse we will be backyard cooks burning the furniture.

Chris Lewis- Yes as evil Thompson, Mooch, and Ferris said in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged- "You have to be practical". But it's probably true in a sense.

ttbn- With respect I'm generally a monarchist- perhaps this is one of my faults due to military service- respect for the rank not the person. Over many generations a family can rise through the ranks of society- disloyalty can bring it down much faster- the nation itself can be brought down if it's people don't work as a team. Be suspicious of those that create disunity within the nation.

O Sung Wu- Always good to hear from you- hope you're well- maybe we'll need to borrow some US personnel to bring our crews up to speed to drive the mothballed subs. I'd still hate to see the ASC infrastructure and expertise lost- after so much effort in it's creation- also some activities shouldn't generally be outsourced to other countries- mercenaries are never as loyal as those who are fighting for their homes- so we should try to bring our security inhouse- difficult with the pace of new technology- though I agree we need something now. Maybe their capabilities can be diversified to include maintenance of the sub and surface fleet.

This problem with the development of new weapons affects the whole engineering field (as I suspect Hasbeen will attest)- most engineering done in Australia is maintenance not design as I understand- but our space industry is providing interesting opportunities for Australia in the engineering sector and could see cross fertilization.

It's great Is Mise's Lithgow Small Arms Factory is still operational. Gun Smithing as you're aware is a art form encompassing a very broad range of expertise. Maybe we can get Thales (along with US and British Military contractors) to help with creating processes and systems in this area for the ASC.

Perhaps also the ASC could be moved a little further up the coast maybe 30 kms from the Adelaide metropolitan area to provide for more expansion

There's a bit of stigma attached to working in subs sadly.

It's good to hear from you too CANEM MALUM - You always speak with a great deal of courtesy and commonsense in my opinion. I believe it would be necessary to send our sailors off-shore to the US or GB in order for them to receive the most up to date training.

With nuclear powered vessels, there can be no mistakes whatsoever.

O Sung Wu- We can get it done mate- ;) - let's make some calls. Thanks.

CM,

I have no problem with the monarchy now. But I am highly unlikely to feel the same with a King Charles or King William, if I am still around.

Not sure that King Canem would be entirely seamless either- I guess Charles will transform himself- he does try. I think that the relationship that Prince Charles had with his monarch- was different than the relationship that Princess Elizabeth had with her monarch- at the time Elizabeth was probably thought to be too inexperienced- I think that William has a close relationship with Charles- perhaps William and Charles will rule together. Charles does seem to fulfill his responsibilities of attending charity events. The royal family is there to support the monarch- many royals have struggled with their eternal role in and out of the shadows- the constant scrutiny. The lefty media looking for every opportunity to sink the boot in- things that happen in normal lives can't happen in The Royal Family- their lives aren't their own- a golden cage

Maybe we can see Charles as the lovable larrikin that Prince Philip is- in our memories. William seems to be holding things together with his responsibilities. Edward seems to have done a marvelous job with his family.

Indy, how about King Kong, put him on the throne.

I've had enough of the royals.
They live off handouts from the hardworking people, yet need to employ someone else to groom their stools.

Look at Lizzy here, her and Camilla moaning with the other snobby old well to do's about who's not coming to the climate conference.

I think the whole worlds a load of crap.
What happened to democracy?
I thought people and countries had a right to decide for themselves.
which is why EVERYTHING needs some screwed up agenda attached to it these days.
All of the endless pc virtue signalling crap, to try to steer the world in some direction that we dont have a say in.

All they do is pretend to have democracy whilst handing out their demands, and ten poor workers have to bust their asses to pay for the one highly paid person to wipe hers.

At the end of the day, they want us all dead anyway.
Philip wanted to come back as a virus, I bet he was sad of dying so soon and not living to see the death count on covid.

Harry and Meghan... pathetic
They tried to step away from royal duties but they are still pushing the same crap as though they were palace minions anyway.

How does the world have equality and royalty at the same time?
We have no problems taking down the nations of other so called dictators, I think royals should be the next lot to go.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/climate-change/queen-elizabeth-ii-caught-on-camera-criticising-world-leaders-over-cop26-climate-change-summit-ng-b882040734z

"My Goodness, wheres my tea and scones?"
"How dare they not attend my climate conference"
"We need to stop destroying the planet and make the world a better place"
"Now, have that man killed."

Human's need value's- value's create hierarchy- hierarchy creates inequality. Jordan Peterson.

The only way for the world to be relatively equal is by smaller communities- for people to take back responsibilities from the government.

Patrick Deneen says that liberalism is dying- and talks about "democratic despotism" and the illusion of freedom.

I'm very sad to read your views on the office of the British Monarchy- Armchair Critic.

All power is in a small sense despotic- look at any manager- but even the worst "national" despot has to be better than a "global" despot or oligarch. You can't run away from a global despot.

As Jordan Peterson says it's much easier to create a worse system than a better one. I see the "British Nation" in a better position than the US- and this is due to it's institutions- including the institution of Monarchy.

One has to ask the question why would someone want to stay and destroy Britain rather than leave- if there isn't anything to love- to me the answer is power.