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The Nazis Next Door: Part One. 60 Minutes - channel 9, - 8.30pm 15/08/2021.
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A storm in a teacup, just like the momentary bleating about an auction of German military, or Nazi if you like, memorabilia recently. Squeak, squeak and it was all over. So was the auction, with heaps of money made. Bellyaching about Nazis, the Huns, the Goths, the Gauls - all part of history - is piss weak, and indicative of small mindedness of the sort regularly exhibited here by the Three Cranks.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 19 August 2021 9:13:51 AM
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Dr Rebecca Green, a lecturer in graphic design
with the University of NSW School of Art and Design talks about the danger of symbols and I thought her comments were relevant due to the recent media coverage on the subject. Some of the views she expressed were that - "symbols are powerful things and should always be used with care." She stated that this becomes a critical factor when symbols become weaponised, as was the case with the Nazi regime. Symbols don't exist on their own. They have a relationship with what they represent. She tells us that the Nazi party's clear branding and skilful use of rhetorical techniques like repetition of symbols was a masterstroke in galvanising so many people. She points out that the swastike is thousands of years old, appearing in many cultures and is still a symbol of good fortune for Hindus, Buddhists and Jains. However what is disturbing and scary about the Nazi swastika is the fact that it is a visual symbol for a cruel regime that expounded hate and genocide in the name of nationalism and racial purity. And equally frightening is the fact that it is now being used to symbolise the neo Nazi movement spreading throughout the globe - not only in Australia. A symbol of hate and division. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 19 August 2021 2:10:05 PM
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For the far right, dealing with the uncomfortable truth of Hitler and Nazis is difficult, it just wont go away. They dream up all sorts of excuses and deflections. Hitler was socialists, ie lefty, not them, Nazis all died in 1945, they don't exist today, its just a bunch of kids playing games.
The far right are like Basil Fawlty; "I mentioned the war, but I think I got away with it." Basil ended up goose stepping around the dinning room, with the German tourist left crying and screaming. Posted by Paul1405 Answer- In a sense I guess that's something the right have in common with the left. This is interesting... http://yale.universitypressscholarship.com/view/10.12987/yale/9780300106497.001.0001/upso-9780300106497-chapter-24 "Given his reputation, one may ask whether Joseph Stalin was really a Communist. This question acquired direct practical significance after the revolution against Stalinism that culminated in 1991. Both anti-Communists of the left and the proponents of perestroika in the Soviet Union insisted that Stalinism was a criminal betrayal of the revolution and of Marxist ideals. Stalin's commitment to Marxism and even to socialism only served to camouflage the establishment of a new oriental despotism." The implication above is that Stalin was the exception rather than the rule for socialism and communism where the evidence doesn't seem to hold up. Trotsky the preferred academic poster boy of communism would have allowed many more starvation deaths in the name of the revolution- any dissent is seen as counter revolutionary and subject to summary execution or "Gulag time". Perhaps many would prefer Gulag time to the current woke strategy of denying employment- in a sense this results in the same "breeding program ethnic cleansing" instituted under the worst regimes. Stalin's speeches were post-cluded with clapping that lasted for hours because those that stopped clapping were visited at bedtime by assassins- you can see the same virtue signalling occurring in work houses today. Herbert Marcuse the founder of the new left was probably a communist- his books founded their principles- such as "Eros in favour of Logos" and "The One Dimensional Man" or whatever they were called. Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 19 August 2021 2:16:49 PM
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Foxy,
You haven’t said aught about the rights of minorities, something that you have stood up for in the past. I have an ornate belt that has a Swastik among the other Hindu symbols with which it is adorned in brass cut-outs. It was given in appreciation of a well wth a Stirling pumping engine, the installation of which I supervised on one of my mate’s estates. Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 19 August 2021 2:58:53 PM
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Is Mise,
I don't support all minorities. Certainly not minority extremists or fanatics who are seeking to promote hatred and white supremacy or attack racial and ethnic minorities or who want to create a fascist state. As for your swastika belt? Good luck with wearing that! Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 19 August 2021 4:09:51 PM
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Foxy,
You are evading the point, which is that minorities in Australia for whom the Swastika is a religious or cultural symbol should be allowed to use/shew it as appropriate. Your attitude that because the Nazis stole it and used it all people in the west should be refused it’s use is bigoted to say the least. The Nazis also used Mercedes Benz cars, going to ban them as well? Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 19 August 2021 5:09:20 PM
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